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Feb 19, 2021 3:30 PM CST
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
I would be so fun to sit under that tin roof in the rain...love that sound!
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Mar 21, 2021 8:29 PM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Columbiana Alabama (Zone 8a)
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Hello all! We're in AL this week and I'm relieved to say most of the plants here are doing well! Even most of those in the 2 year old beds that were completely overrun with weeds are growing and there are lots of buds. The pics I'm sharing tonight are all from the new beds and the waiting areas still full of plants in grow bags. Pics 1 and 5 are general pics of the beds.

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Most of the woody peonies I planted are doing pretty well, some like Cherry Festival here have multiple buds!
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This is the bed of shame, there are 2 woody peonies in there and 3 Itohs planted up against the retaining wall that are spaced correctly but all of the others were shoved in much too closely. All that were planted last fall were bare root, mostly dug from my garden in CO and brought out in boxes so they HAD to go in the ground. Didn't have time or room to plant a single one that was in grow bags
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Mother Theresa, thought this one was lost, never grew well in CO
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Golden Experience. This one was in my CO garden for 4 years, never had a bud. 1st year in AL and it's finally going to bloom!
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These next 3 and the very last pics are of the holding area. There are over 150 peonies of all types, daylilies, irises, hardy hibiscus and at least 1 blueberry in there somewhere
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This one is a seedling that was given to me last fall. Just LOOK at all of those buds! Might get to see the first bloom before we leave here Friday! Was that a wonderful gift or what??
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Pastel Lilias, good example of how well the Itohs are responding in the waiting area. Several look exactly like this one. Definitely like the bags more than plastic pots
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Mar 21, 2021 8:38 PM CST
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
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Amazing Liz, can't wait to see their blooms.
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Mar 21, 2021 8:57 PM CST
Name: oscar
beamsville Ontario canada (Zone 6a)
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Hats off to you Liz, you are truly amazing, cannot wait to see all your plants in bloom
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Mar 21, 2021 8:57 PM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Columbiana Alabama (Zone 8a)
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Unfortunately I doubt if I'll be here for most, we leave again on Friday and won't be back for several weeks. Just seeing the growth and buds is enough for me for now...I DIDNT KILL THEM!!!YAY!!!
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Mar 21, 2021 10:14 PM CST
Maryland
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WOW, that's a lot of work put in too all of that.Very nice looking.
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Mar 21, 2021 11:31 PM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
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Hurray! 💃🌻
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Mar 22, 2021 5:50 AM CST
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Name: LG
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I am so happy for you, Liz. I know you were worried about them. It's really amazing to see how well they are all doing. Those irises are going to be gorgeous, too!!

It would be awesome if that seedling opens up before you leave.
LG - My garden grows with love and a lot of hard work.
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Mar 22, 2021 8:03 AM CST
Name: Gary Ray
Ohio (Zone 6a)
Congratulations Liz. Happy for you also. I hope I am as lucky as you. So far in Zone 6 I am just starting to see growth with the bare roots I planted last fall. I have seen no growth in the plants I brought with me from NC but I am trying to be patient. Because of the move, I had to divide the plants at the wrong time and leave them in grow bags all summer. I hope I didn't sacrifice them in the process.
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Mar 22, 2021 10:15 AM CST
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Was holding my breath with you....so excited to see all the growth....wouldn't it be fun if a motion cam would catch opening flowers...oh well, maybe some will wait for you!

I certainly tried the grow bags from you and mostly they have done really, really well...3 had sides that were getting lots of windblown rain...should have checked more often....we will see if those come up.
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Mar 22, 2021 12:06 PM CST
Name: Anya
Fairbanks, AK (Zone 3a)
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Liz, wonderful!!! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
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Mar 22, 2021 8:56 PM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Columbiana Alabama (Zone 8a)
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That seedling should be open tomorrow! The first to open was herbaceous though and also wins the award for the weirdest peony I've ever seen...I THINK it's P. mascula but the tag is gone and there is no identifying foliage! When I noticed it I saw that there was already one bloom that had lost its petals, this pic is of the 2nd bloom. I thrive k the foliage was negatively impacted by the crazy cold weather they had here a few weeks ago but the buds opened anyway! There really is nothing there except around an inch of stem and this flower, not a single leaf.

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Mar 23, 2021 10:50 AM CST
Maryland (Zone 7a)
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I like it. Like Cytheria but...whispier?
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Mar 23, 2021 2:23 PM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Columbiana Alabama (Zone 8a)
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It is a pretty color but the lack of a decent st and foliage is just bizarre. Hopefully it'll be more normal next spring.
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Mar 23, 2021 4:41 PM CST
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I was so focused on the flower form that I hadn't noticed it's basically a bloom on a stump!
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Mar 23, 2021 6:48 PM CST
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
All I can say is that you did a fantastic job moving your plants from CO to their new home. Thumbs up Thumbs up Thumbs up I have a good feeling that they are going to thrive in your AL garden. The soil looks so nice and loamy. Looking forward to future pics of your peony collection.

Gary, hope your plants survive the move as well.
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Apr 25, 2021 9:24 AM CST
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Name: Tracey
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So impressive, Liz. I know how much work you have put in, just in planting alone. You should be sure to take time to step back and look at all you have accomplished. And in the coming years, this will all just get better and better.

I was wondering if you had an areas of natives? I had heard a speaker online, about the importance of incorporating some of that into the landscape to retain bird species of the area. Trying to do a little more of that here, in amongst the favorites.....
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Apr 25, 2021 4:36 PM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Columbiana Alabama (Zone 8a)
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Funny that you mentioned that, Tracey. I'm in a couple of AL gardening groups on FB and there is a nursery between our land and where my daughter lives in Chattanooga that specializes in AL natives, has been posting a lot of interesting articles and info, I'll be making a trip there for fall planting. The land was used for logging so there really wasn't much native on it, just pines planted much too densely, but I definitely want to attract native birds and butterflies at least—if I could repel the flies and mosquitos that would be AMAZING. There is tons of space around the garden cottage, some sunny and some shaded, that I want to plant native varieties in. There are still a few large trees there, figured nearer those would be good for bird shelter, anyway.
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Mar 19, 2023 1:00 PM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Columbiana Alabama (Zone 8a)
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Hummingbirder Dragonflies Dog Lover Daylilies Bee Lover Birds
It has been a LONG TIME since I updated this thread! Wanted to post here though as I think most of the gardens are documented. I'm sorry it took so long for me to get this done, too! I waited until I got back to CO and the weekend as the only internet connection I have in AL right now is my cell phone, much easier with a better connection.

I was in AL for almost 2 weeks this trip, got quite a bit done but did lose out a couple of days to rain. I managed to get the beds weeded, fairly easy since not much had grown yet this year. That was my first task and took around 3 days to get through all 5 beds, although 1/2 of a day was dedicated to shoring up several of the metal boxes in the 5th row. The guys that did that row weren't anywhere near as good as those that started with row 1 and 2! I saw that the boxes had become detached from the posts and were leaning forward on several and more were headed in that direction. I had to dig the soil out from behind the boxes, carefully avoiding the peonies, and use the gator to push the boxes back up and in place. Realized that they had attached the boxes to the posts with just 2 fence staples on some of them!!!!!I had to remove the stones from the boxes and add more fence staples—those U-shaped nails if you're not sure what they are. Put in around 6/box side from the middle of the box up to the top, shouldn't have a problem again. I didn't take any pics of that process, pretty boring, anyway.

I did document the other big task a bit better—adding more retaining wall! This was my first attempt to do the entire thing for myself, previously I built the boxes and someone else installed. Figured after the mess the last guys made mine couldn't be worse so….

First pic is the trench. Doesn't look like much but that is just over 30' long and around 2' deep by around 18" wide in heavy clay with a LOT of rock.
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I used my auger to drill the holes for the posts. Had to use a pry bar and mallet to remove rock from several of the holes before they were deep enough! Not the most fun thing I've ever done…then I used a tiny battery powered chainsaw to cut the 6x6 posts to the right length. That little saw was a champ! Certainly not meant to go through something that big but it did, just had to turn the posts a few times mid cutting as it was wider than the saw blade. Anyway, got 6 posts and boxes in place, decided to get those completed and most of the soil backfilled before doing the last one for that row as I plan to set that one at around a 65 degree angle pointed back up the hill so I don't lose soil out of the side. That piece would make getting the gator in with soil very difficult! I didn't get everything finished for those 6 boxes so that will be my starting point next trip. Here are a few pics of the progress.

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The first 2 boxes with rock in them are the only sections that I completely finished this trip. Can't see it and of course I forgot to take pics but I'd put 2 pallets at the end of the row last year to be able to plant more peonies. I pulled out the pallets and backfilled behind them and a bit extra, enough extra soil so none should wash away from my peonies before I get back down there.
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Now to the fun part, the plants that will make all of this work worthwhile! I shared a few pics early in the first week I was there of some growth, here's an example of what some of the peonies looked like just before I left on March 13th.

Tree peony growth ranged from this:
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Sorry for the sideways pic!

To this! Think I might've been racing LG's pink Ostii for first tree peony bloom to open with the bud from Pluto!
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Anxiously watched for any signs of life for Elizabeth Black, finally saw the first tiny bit of growth the day before I left! Do you see it? Right in the middle of the pic! Nothing before I left on White Vanguard, another that I was anxiously awaiting.
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This is Sugar N Spice, herbaceous hybrid I think?
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Next up is Leda, a lutea hybrid. This is a new purchase from Lyndaker Farms just this last fall.
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Wild Forest Blackberry, also a lutea hybrid that came from Adelman's, in 2020, just released from its grow bag last fall. Isn't its foliage gorgeous?
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Switching gears a bit with an Itoh! This is Symphonies Pourple, 2nd year in my garden, first year with a bud!
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One other experiment that I decided to start this trip is to see what difference pine straw mulch can make. Even if it does absolutely NOTHING for the beds I do believe it'll improve the appearance of that landscape fabric. I grabbed 4 small bales on my errand trip at Lowes and applied half to the tiny side of the 1st and 2nd rows. 2nd row is more of an experiment than the first as that side has no landscape fabric—if it reduces the weed pressure I might be able to slowly reduce the amount of landscape fabric. What do you all think? Does it look better?
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Last pic for this post is not a peony, a rose instead. Again with the sideways pic post, sorry! I have Generous Gardener planted on either side of the cottage porch, put them in last spring. This trip I added some metal cables to train them and clipped the 1 longest cane to the 2 lower cables to start the process. I'm hoping it'll eventually grow large enough to provide a living wall of roses from late spring through fall! Big hopes for such a small start, huh?
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Think this is long enough for now, don't want to bore you with pics of barely emerging peony foliage. As long as the weather stays sane we'll be driving down again on 28 March, otherwise I'll fly down next on 12 April. Hoping these last few freezes, last week through Tuesday morning, don't kill off buds as I wasn't there to protect them….if they're still viable I should be sharing flower pics then!
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Mar 19, 2023 1:14 PM CST
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Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7b)
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Thanks for all the details, Liz. It is going great! You must be so excited to see what blooms there this year!

I love the pine straw.
LG - My garden grows with love and a lot of hard work.
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