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Apr 4, 2012 2:16 PM CST
Name: Brenda
Santa Clarita, CA (Zone 9b)
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Sounds like a great idea, Dave! I might actually KNOW and REMEMBER what plants are in my gardens, LOL!
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Apr 4, 2012 5:35 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
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Dave,
I agree: "incremental deployment" is almost always a good idea compared to a masive 'all-feaqtures Go Live". There's a classic quote, something like:
"Any large system that works at all, was once a small system that worked excellently."


>> I do believe one of the biggest challenges is keeping the information fresh, and not outdated.

Agreed! Like the database, it's a collaborative effort. And there's always a temptation for the users to abuse the intent of the design, e.g. using a Trade List as a Wish List, or as an Inventory, or vice-vice-versa.

If you adopt the 'expiring listings' idea, it would be a nice frill if the notification TreeMail had a button for "this is still available, so refresh the listing for N months and delete this Treemail".

Or if you adopt the "this seed was listed on mm/dd/yyyy" field, it would be great to be able to search for listings fresher than a certain date, or sort the hits by date listed.

>> should the person with avalable plants also specify a shipping season?
>> Such as check boxes for Available Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter?

Here's another frill: include a "Trade Reminder" field. Someone agrees to take some cuttings or send some bare-roots plant "in the right seaqson". Let them copy the ship-to address and terms of the trade and reminder date into a memo field, and then automatically send them both a TreeMail when the date is reached.

Lee Anne said:
>> My wish is for the list to match up. For example...I list a Hoya for trade the system could automatically show me a list of people that are looking for it. On the flip side, if I list a plant as "want" it would show me a list of who has it.

I think the DG feature like that is workable (or would be, if listings were accurate and up-to-date). Clik on a plant name, and see buttons for:
- these people Want that plant
- these people Have that Plamnt (and offer it for trade, maybe)
- these vendors said they Sell that plant

In the past, I was frustrated by the fact that I had some things that some people wanted, but OTHER people had things that I wanted. Seldom were both true at the same time of the same people.

(Now I tend to get most of my seeds from the Hog Wild swap, where basically everyone wallows in everyone's trough, you send out one box with 100 baggies of seed in it with 20 people's names on them, and you stagger home with more seeds than you can plant.)

BUT, for an insanely unworkable frill-idea, how about a cascading search?

- Person A wants Plant P1 from Person B.
- (Person A has nothing B wants, so no trade there.)

- But Person B wants 27 different things, and 300 people HAVE some of those things ... but B has nothing any of them want.
- (Still no trade.)

- BUT, several buildings full of servers running day and night, cross-checking all 300 of those WANT lists against Person A's HAVE list might turn up a three-way swap:
- - - - A sends Plant P2 to Person #171,
- - - - so Person 271 will send Plant #27 to Person B,
- - - - so she'll send Plant P1 to A.

Actually it's more like infinite regression or Combinatorial Heck: the Have lists of everyone who Wants anything from anyone I Want anything from ... or something like that. N x M x X comparisons where all of those are very large numbers.

Impractical in many ways, I think, but until Dave starts charging for silly ideas, I'll keep thinking of them.

I think the PRACTICAL way to trade is much more low-tech and humane: sending people things for postage or free, because other people send you things for postage. Or free.

That works!
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Apr 4, 2012 6:13 PM CST

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Rick, do you ever get out? Rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 4, 2012 6:37 PM CST
Name: Brenda
Santa Clarita, CA (Zone 9b)
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Hetty, LOL!
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Apr 4, 2012 7:30 PM CST
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Good stuff, Rick, you have definitely given this a lot of thought! I'll be calling on you as we get into the more advanced level of this development. Smiling
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Apr 4, 2012 7:34 PM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
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Dutchlady1 said:Rick, do you ever get out? Rolling on the floor laughing


Hilarious!

Karen
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Apr 4, 2012 7:43 PM CST
Name: Mary
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BUT, for an insanely unworkable frill-idea, how about a cascading search?

- Person A wants Plant P1 from Person B.
- (Person A has nothing B wants, so no trade there.)

- But Person B wants 27 different things, and 300 people HAVE some of those things ... but B has nothing any of them want.
- (Still no trade.)

- BUT, several buildings full of servers running day and night, cross-checking all 300 of those WANT lists against Person A's HAVE list might turn up a three-way swap:
- - - - A sends Plant P2 to Person #171,
- - - - so Person 271 will send Plant #27 to Person B,
- - - - so she'll send Plant P1 to A.


You'll need to run a debugger on this bit of script, Rick...Person 271 has no reason to send 27 plants to Person B in order to help Person A. At least, not the way I read your scenario before reading the swaps. Green Grin!

And have you never heard the warnings about "gold-plating the project?" Rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 4, 2012 7:50 PM CST
Name: Jill
Weatherby, Missouri (Zone 5a)
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You guys are fun! Hope I can keep up!

Lemme see if I have this straight:

A list of plants in my garden just so I know what I have. . . The Inventory list
A list of plants/seeds I have extras of that I might trade for what you have extras of. . . The Trade List
A list of plants/seeds I have for sale? Did I read that somewhere?...The For Sale List
A list of plants/seeds I want . . . The I Want It List

I don't know about a cascading search, but I do know about cascading trailing plants! I'm in! Hilarious!
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Apr 4, 2012 7:55 PM CST
Name: Mary
My little patch of paradise (Zone 7b)
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Jill said:You guys are fun! Hope I can keep up!

Lemme see if I have this straight:

A list of plants in my garden just so I know what I have. . . The Inventory list
A list of plants/seeds I have extras of that I might trade for what you have extras of. . . The Trade List
A list of plants/seeds I have for sale? Did I read that somewhere?...The For Sale List
A list of plants/seeds I want . . . The I Want It List

I don't know about a cascading search, but I do know about cascading trailing plants! I'm in! Hilarious!



And all that can basically turn into one line per plant or seeds, thanks to check-boxes...

Butterfly Weed Plants.... Own...Trade...Sell...Want
Butterfly Weed Seeds....Own....Trade...sell....Want
Northwest Georgia Daylily Society
I'm going to retire and live off of my savings. Not sure what I'll do that second week.
My yard marches to the beat of a bohemian drummer...
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Apr 4, 2012 8:25 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Mary,
>> You'll need to run a debugger on this bit of script, Rick

I was afraid of that! I released it before doing a peer review. *Blush*

Try randomly replacing "Have" and "Want" until it compiles, and then ship it. If it breaks down in the field, we can always fly an engineer out there and charge double-time plus expenses! I tip my hat to you.

Hetty:
>> Rick, do you ever get out?

LOL! Shrug!

I'm reminded of a line from Babylon 5 where a nerdy guy is trying to figure out how to buy flowers for a very, very rare date he somehow stumbled into. The flower shop proprieter figures out quckly that Mr. Nerd is very new to the dating scene and asks, kindly: "You don't get out much, Son, do you?"

Mr. Nerd starts out sputtering and denying, then admits "ummm, no" after brief thought.

Ummm, no.

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Apr 4, 2012 8:46 PM CST
Name: Linda
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Apr 5, 2012 3:36 AM CST

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I have a son who would perfectly understand all that you wrote, Rick... he will be the engineer you'll fly out and charge double time for Hilarious!
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Apr 5, 2012 6:00 AM CST
Name: Mary
My little patch of paradise (Zone 7b)
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RickCorey said:Mary,
>> You'll need to run a debugger on this bit of script, Rick

I was afraid of that! I released it before doing a peer review. *Blush*

Try randomly replacing "Have" and "Want" until it compiles, and then ship it. If it breaks down in the field, we can always fly an engineer out there and charge double-time plus expenses! I tip my hat to you.


True story.... back in the 5 1/4" floppy disk days, one software company used to mail their updates to clients. One client called support cause the update wouldn't install. They sent her a new disk, she called again. Same problem. So they sent her a third disk, and told her to keep it in a safe place until the support guy could get out there later that week. He arrived, said "I'm here to do your update - do you have the disk?" She reached across her desk and took the disk from the side of the file cabinet, where it was held in place with a strong magnet.... Rolling on the floor laughing


Back on topic -- Dave, anything you've created so far has been awesome, so it will be really cool to see this new feature when you unveil it. You have a gift for making things easy to use (could you teach that to MicroSoft?)
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Apr 5, 2012 10:49 AM CST
Name: Duane
Redmond OR (Zone 5a)
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Apr 5, 2012 11:57 AM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
>> 5 1/4" floppy disk days ... held in place with a strong magnet...

I was there too, at the Dawn Of Time ...

While shopping for my first computer (an Apple before there was any "Apple II"), an irate business man come in to the store after buying HIS first PC.
"The salesman lied to me!
He said this would be easy to use!!
He didn't say I would have to TYPE IN all my information!!!"

I guess that businessman must have thought that the 'read my mind' option came bundled with the free software.

Say, Dave? Can we have the "read my mind option" for database and seed trading searches?

Pretty please?
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Apr 5, 2012 12:38 PM CST
Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
Just to add my two cents worth, I think this is a great idea but will probably not use it as I haven't seen many Canadians on here to trade with. Cross border trades (except seed) aren't easy. I can import seed easily but can you import seed to the States without difficulty? If you can than I probably would use it for seed only.
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Apr 5, 2012 1:06 PM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
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No problem sending or receiving seed from the States, I have a friend in Tucson and we have traded a couple of times, you fill out a small declaration sticker and that's it, of course we are talking legal type seed. Hilarious! Or if they are very small flat seed just put them in an envelope and mail. Green Grin!
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Apr 5, 2012 2:22 PM CST
Name: Dianne
Sacramento, CA, zone 9b
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Wonderful idea, Dave. And I would definitely make use of it - whatever aspects you eventually incorporate in.

California does have a lot of restrictions, so there should perhaps be a guide to rules and regulations. Maybe not the regulations themselves, but links to guidelines? But seeds and bulbs/rhizomes/corms should be OK.
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Apr 5, 2012 2:37 PM CST
Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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I would use it! sounds like fun. This is such a nice bunch of people here.
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Apr 5, 2012 2:59 PM CST
Name: Cinda
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Thumbs up I would use it
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