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Jan 12, 2013 1:23 AM CST
Name: Pia-Louise
Romford, U.K. (Zone 8b)

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Does anybody have Griggs surprise seeds?
[...very passionate about Biology and Art. One day I would like to breed award winning hybrids.]
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Jan 12, 2013 1:35 AM CST
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If they do, it won't produce a Grigg's Surprise. You won't know what you will get.
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Jan 12, 2013 1:54 AM CST
Name: Pia-Louise
Romford, U.K. (Zone 8b)

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I didn't realise this, is this the same with all Semps? Even if they have been grown in isolation and pollinated themselves? x
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Jan 12, 2013 8:38 AM CST

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If a species Sempervivum is grown in isolation and self-pollinates, then you would get seed that would be pure for that species. There would, of course, be some natural variety among the resulting plants.

If a hybrid Sempervivum variety is grown in isolation and is self-pollinated, then you would get plants that would also show variation among the resulting plants, but these plants would not be the same variety as the parents. Hybrid Sempervivum can have genetic contributions from many other varieties or species as part of their genetic makeup, some dominant, some not. Crossing hybrids allows for expression of many combinations of these hybrid traits, based on many factors, so the resulting plants could not be considered as "pure" copies of the original plants, even though some of them would be very close.

Genetics can be very complicated. It's not always a simple case of dominant and recessive genes. as there are other factors involved. That's why is is important to keep track of which varieties of semps are species and which are not. Note that the way names are expressed, if done properly, should tell you if the particular variety is a species or a hybrid. Species names are done in lower case. Hybrid names are in upper case. Thus, S. calcareum is a species, but S. Greenii is a hybrid or variety even though Greenii is a calcareum. This could also be expressed as S. calcareum Greenii.
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Jan 12, 2013 10:57 AM CST
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Great explaination twit. You hit all the bases.
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Jan 13, 2013 10:35 AM CST
Name: Pia-Louise
Romford, U.K. (Zone 8b)

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Thank you so much, that makes a lot of sense! I mean all this will probably become apparent to me in time, with patience, trial and error etc. But that's why I love this website, I can hear words of wisdom and that is a very important part of learning. Having a great teacher. I wonder, when can I name my own Semp? What do I have to do? I have SO many great name ideas! *Blush*
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Jan 13, 2013 11:50 AM CST
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We have a Sempervivum Hybridizing Clinic coming up in late spring. I will take notes and let you know about the process of naming and patent rules.
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Jan 14, 2013 3:45 AM CST
Name: Pia-Louise
Romford, U.K. (Zone 8b)

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Thank you so much! Smiling Can't wait!
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Jan 14, 2013 9:39 AM CST
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I tip my hat to you.
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Mar 19, 2013 7:29 PM CST
Name: Kate
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valleylynn said:Yes, Kate has lots of that one. Do you have just the Oddity, or both Oddity & Griggs Surprise Kate/

I imagine your beds are covered in snow right now?

I should go out tomorrow and take photos of both for a January photo.


Sorry folks, I've been away from a computer for quite a while. I only have 'Oddity', not 'Grigg's Surprise'.
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Mar 19, 2013 7:58 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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Welcome back Kate! Me too, only 'Oddity' and want to get 'Grigg's surprise' nodding
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Mar 19, 2013 7:59 PM CST
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Hi Kate. Hope all is well. Smiling
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Mar 20, 2013 1:26 AM CST
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Name: Chris
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Good to see you again Kate!
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Mar 20, 2013 7:08 AM CST
Name: Kate
S Wales UK (Zone 9a)
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Some fantastic information in this thread! I tip my hat to you.
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Mar 20, 2013 7:17 AM CST
Name: Jennifer
48036 MI (Zone 6b)
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I just got Oddity! I'm excited to see it progress
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Mar 20, 2013 10:09 AM CST
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Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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It is a wonderful and tough semp. I checked my Griggs Surprise last week, it has grown over the winter. Hurray!
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Mar 20, 2013 10:20 AM CST
Name: Marilyn
Greenwood Village, CO (Zone 5b)
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My Griggs looks dead, although oddity seems to have survived. Yea for one. Hurray!
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Mar 20, 2013 10:21 AM CST
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Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Photo Marilyn. Of both. Big Grin
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Mar 20, 2013 1:02 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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Yes please photos always we want photos!!! I agree I tip my hat to you. I want to get 'Grigg's surprise' but haven't been able to find it online...Northhills had it last fall but I haven't seen it since Thumbs down
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Mar 20, 2013 2:06 PM CST
Name: Clint Brown
Medina, TN (Zone 7b)
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I just want to say you can name any plant you want as long as it is your own unique plant. I doubt it would be worth the expense for an individual to patent a Semp though. They are so easily propagated and it would be difficult to make the money back.

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