@signet Thanks Heather, age doesn't matter if it meets my criteria. I think gardeners appreciate any plant that performs successfully. If they are inclined to enter shows or hybridize, then the time of introduction may come into play, especially if there have been improvements like stronger scapes, longer bloom season, better substance - all that sort of thing. Those are desirable traits, but if an older plant works, it works. I've run across 'Jack and the Beanstalk' and 'Sears Tower'. I think they might be too tall to work here. My spot of the world is very windy - not breezy, windy. More often than not. I've acquired some last year that get up in the mid 50" height range, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed they can handle the wind. Height has been a criteria that has kept many a nice daylily off my wish list. I don't want them short, but I don't trust them too tall either. The other two you've listed would definitely be possibilities. Thanks. I'm happy to be turning up some more choices than I had.