HMF isn't always right, Andi. It's true that sellers confuse them, but there are three distinct roses. Hannah Gordon (KORweiso) was the first one, bred in 1983. It's a huge monster of a rose, about 8 or 9 feet tall and 4 feet wide in my garden. The other two came later, Nicole (KORicole) in 1985 and Tabris (KORtabris) in 1986. Nicole is very small, short and compact like a mini-flora, and is packed with petals. Tabris has the same petal count as Hannah Gordon, but it's shorter (6-7 feet in my garden) and not as bushy. Tabris also has the most wicked thorns imaginable. They're similar to the thorns on Snowfire, which are legendary.