The stems on those two do look thick enough Sue!
The one problem is they both are showing all leaves with 5 leaflets, others do have 7 though and those two might vary as some do.
http://cfaes.osu.edu/news/arti...
http://www.uky.edu/hort/Red-Bu...
I was wondering if the plants were growing off the roots of the tree cut down, or the seeds dropped from it.
Aesculus with 5-7 leaflets ..
http://www.deepdale-trees.co.u...
62. Buckeyes (Aesculus species) LEAVES: Opposite, palmately compound (the leaflets arranged like spreading fingers), native buckeyes have 5 leaflets, Horsechestnut has 7, leaves to 15" long, margins toothed.
http://www.slideshare.net/mrjo...
I have a Horse Chestnut tree, it doesn't resemble that.
