I just looked at the sempervivum patch pictures. Looks like 4 different varieties and the last one looks like Bronco when it has had too much sum and not enough water
Lynn, I can see why you think my pic looks velvety but I am sure the plant is not.
I will go and check tomorrow and get some more pics. I got it from Wayne. We are both Tolkein fans and we got a lot of them when they first became available. Some have gone by the wayside. and Treebeard which is similar is about to go as it blooms befrore producing chicks to the point where it is hard to get enough to sell. I thought I could select away from that trait and perhaps i could if i kept at it for another 10 years. We'll see. pics tomorrow