pardalinum said:On the Shirley x NOID how do you know there is pollen there? Did you have to poke around to see it? I have lilies like that but assumed they had no pollen.
Actually, that parent with the "weird" stamens was the one I had called "pollenless yellow" in my DG posts. But in fact, there is pollen, and I only realized it this year. When I looked at what real pollenless lilies are like where the anthers are absent or nearly absent, it prompted me to dissect an anther and discovered the pollen. At least it looks like pollen (I don't know what else it could be). Whether it is viable is another unanswered question.
I suppose I should confess that I may have jumped the gun with the Shirley x NOID seedling as when I looked at it, the whole stamen didn't seem as well developed as that parent, and I assumed that what I see would develop better as the plant matures. But there was still evidence of anthers rolled in from the sides, hiding where pollen would be, and my confession is that I don't really remember now if I saw anything that could be pollen or not. It's so miniscule.Next season I'll have a better handle on this.