I'll go even further and tell you that very few own-root hybrid teas from Vintage Gardens survived in a California garden just a few miles from Vintage Gardens. I think I bought close to a thousand roses from Vintage over the years. At least 600 were hybrid teas. I might have 10 or 12 of their hybrid teas left, and not one is impressive in size or vigor. Many of the own-root floribundas and shrubs I bought from Vintage did survive, but the hybrid teas were largely a waste of money. I kick myself now for not learning my lesson sooner. I actually bought some of those hybrid teas three times. Each time one died, I'd blame myself and buy another. I never bought one a fourth time, though, so I'm not a complete idiot.
