Those are really beautiful, Ann. And unfortunately at the time I purchased TALLADEGA through the Lily Auction I didn't know about the AHS database or even who the hybridizer was. It wasn't until the next spring when it bloomed that I checked out the description and saw the "rose red" -- Ah yes, live and learn! And I'm glad you mentioned that RED BALLS OF FIRE is your most intense red -- I'll have to explore that one further! KAREN STEPHENS looks very nice to me, too -- and I'm getting more and more excited about WISPY RAYS with every picture you guys show!