Dan has converted several things for me and Jane to use, she gets to use them first being she has the plants and Dan checks the pollen. I grew Joan Senior for a long time and still grow Gentle Shepherd in my display area. GS is where my white uf program started, I crossed it with a long petal lavender seedling from Miss Jessie and got Lillian's Sweet Thang, crossed LST with Skin Walker and got Lillian's Thin Ice, crossed LTI with Lavender Butterfly and got Lillian's Vapor Trail and Lillian's White Lies. I made that first Gentle Srepherd cross in 1999 and registered Lillian's Vapor Trail and Lillian's White Lies this year (2011) so it's taken twelve years to get to this point. I hope the next one comes a little faster, I am not getting any younger.