I got a thumbs up today on this thread and I'm glad I did, thanks Pat.
Here is an update on my seed crosses that year. The dip x tet crosses all failed but my tet x self crosses lived. Forbidden Fantasy X Forbidden Fantasy is not only alive but is more fertile then its parent both ways. The flower even looks better in my opinion. Pictures are on the June seedling thread.
Maurice next year if you want me to cross it with it's self to see how many self crosses can be done before fertility becomes and issue I'll be happy to do so.