I have Northwinds Moe, Curly Joe and Larry all three. For awhile there Gary was selling the three in a package, don't know if he still is. Now I can't remember how long I have had them, four years maybe. Surprisingly considering they were hybridized uo North they all three do very poorly here. Started off as small plants single fans and stayed singles for years. I think went to two fans last year. They don't bloom much either. Really stingy on the blooms. I would NEVER have gotten them if I had any idea they would do this poorly for me.