Ursula, I was debating getting seed for both of those but the germination instructions are crazy and they clearly state that germination is erratic and low. I bought some rhizomes of T. Speciosum which I've got out in a large pot and I'm hoping will come up. I tried the seed to no avail (or maybe they just don't want to come up yet) but convinced a nice Ebayer over in the UK to post me the rhizomes. I hope they take as they are a lovely looking delicate red vine.
Flame Nasturtium (Tropaeolum speciosum)