Name: Suzanne/Sue Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a) Sunset Zone 15
gardenglory said:Neither of those would do well here as they are dormants
Actually, both would probably do fine there. Ruby Spider was hybridized in Florida and Primal Scream is one of the few dormants that does just fine in warmer zones, it's one of my favorites and I have it in two places and it has always done very well for me where other dormants just disappeared.
