What's interesting Rick, is we've both seen the same thing. I had no idea you had posted something ealier. The two I have came from Len Sherwin from Wyoming. They were in a group of about 20 of field run stock (not culls) so I have no Idea what the parentage is. I've got a couple pics I'll post over on my 2012 thread when I add some more over there. All this is 'good and interesting'