I didn't mean to infer that martial arts folks are not gentle people. I didn't put that very well. I do understand that a lot of it is mental. It is not a hobby I would have thought of for Jamie, that is all. I think he had a son in it and that got him interested. You can never really tell what people will be interested in. I am quiet, reserved type, very non violent - yet I love guns. Not hunting - just target shooting.