Anyone still agonizing over their lists for this one may want to check out Austin's Wildeve. Somehow my posts and pictures on the other place disappeared, aggravating. I'll get some here soon. I thought I was boring people posting this one over and over again, but I really love it. It is a "smaller" Austin, but bigger than expected. Mine sends out new canes 6-7' tall with clusters of blooms on the ends and later on lateral shoots. It would love to be a rounded, fountain of a shrub, but is tolerating my novice Austin pruning efforts. Its blooms are bigger than WS2000, similar in form to Charlotte, but I think Wildeve will be a bigger and more floriforous shrub than Charlotte. So far, I prefer it to the beloved Abe Darby.