Also Rick, thanks for coming out and saying what I think a lot of people might be thinking, that it is hard to say for sure what these henryi-type lilies are. One thing about these particular bulbs, they were given to me by the hybridizer of the hybrids,I think, (C.K.), and a board member of NALS, (not that that necessarily means anything). Just saying that I didn't order them from a vendor.