I will look that up thank you. I sure do enjoy this site and the people on here you are so helpfull!! hope I can return the favor one day I seem to be learning alot so sometimes it is best to just listen. I am sure you know that saying about better to keep your mouth shut and let people think your Dumb then to open it and remove all doubt!!!LOL THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP ANY IDEA WHAT TYPE OF FLOWER THIS IS I WAS GIVEN A HUGH VINE. Your friend Damian