thanks everyone for the welcome, I got serious about day lilies 2 yrs ago and started buying the older ones, then late last yr I found the LA that was the 1st mistake. then I started researching them and found Karol Emmerich's and others websites, mistake # 2 and it just keeps snowballing from there. In a little over a year we should have about 30 of Karol's planted and in the ground, my oldest live in St. Paul MN. about 45 min. from Springwood Gardens and that will probably be mistake # 3 at least by then.