Cindi - That would be a nice if I hadn't lost about 1/2 of my roses from that last snow we got right after Mother's Day... and if I have to sell the house, there's no way I'm going to be able to sell the house with the yard the way it is.. this yard is definitely not child friendly and so I'll probably end up giving away the roses to a memorial garden or something, then putting in sod. BLEH. I hate grass.. so boring..