As you know Becky, a couple of years ago I sold a lot of older seeds on LA. Most were between 2 to 4 years old. I got a lot of complaints from customers about lack of germination. I will never do that again. I cannot say why they did not germinate. They were in the fridge the entire time. Maybe they needed stratification and a lot of customers did not use that method, I can't really say. I always thought that they should germinate no matter how old.