Plant ID forum: Another yellow ID

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Name: Ginger
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gingin
May 16, 2012 2:41 PM CST
Don't recall seeing this before...noticed it by my GH this morning...maybe acorns are making me more aware of blooms. Whistling Rolling my eyes.
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
May 16, 2012 2:51 PM CST
Hypericum hypericoides

http://www.southeasternflora.com/view_flora.asp?plantid=184#
Name: Ginger
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gingin
May 16, 2012 3:24 PM CST
Alrighty then...brain fart here. I had posted before an unknown without bloom that was IDd as St. Andrew's Cross. I added my pics then to hypericum hypericoides subsp hypericoides. Both plants are in my yard, but different locations. The first that I posted for ID is very much larger then the one posted today. Would they be the same ? Should the new pics be added to the DB where I added the others OR under hypericum hypericoides. Both are listed in the DB. Am I confused?? yes!!
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Name: Jay
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Horntoad
May 16, 2012 3:31 PM CST
There are two sub-species of Hypericum hypericoides. Hypericum hypericoides ssp. hypericoides and Hypericum hypericoides ssp. multicaule. When you have more than one sub-species the original name become a generic catch all for that species. In this case Hypericum hypericoides would be used when you are not sure which of the sub-species you have.
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
May 16, 2012 5:05 PM CST
I think the subspecies hypericoides should be deleted, the Plant List doesn't include that and it usually only means it's the 'straight' species anyway.

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/search?q=Hypericum+hypericoi...

There's also two entries for subsp. multicaule in the database.

http://garden.org/plants/search/text.php?q=Hypericum+hyperic...

I'll request to move the photos in subsp. hypericoides, and to delete the extra entries.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
May 16, 2012 5:13 PM CST
OK, I have made two requests, one to delete the duplicate entry, the other to move the photos from subsp. hypericoids to hypericoides. When that is done I will request to delete that entry.
Name: Jay
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Horntoad
May 16, 2012 8:28 PM CST
There should still be a separate listing for subsp. hypericoides. Like I said in my last post. Even though the name Hypericum hypericoides ssp. hypericoides now refers to the original specimen, you should always use the entire name when it is known. Just saying Hypericum hypericoides is what you would use only when you are not sure which subsp. the specimen is.
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
May 17, 2012 5:50 AM CST
There's different schools of thought on that Jay, as they are both really the same species with slight variations often due to location. Some people don't believe there should be subspecies. There's no reason why the 'straight' species can't fit in the 'straight' species epithet, besides the Plant List gives hypericoides 2 stars in the confidence level where subsp. multicaule only has one.
Name: Jay
Nederland, Texas (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Region: Gulf Coast Charter ATP Member I helped beta test the first seed swap I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Horntoad
May 17, 2012 7:37 AM CST
JRsbugs said: besides the Plant List gives hypericoides 2 stars in the confidence level where subsp. multicaule only has one.


But they still list it as accepted.
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
May 17, 2012 7:42 AM CST
Horntoad said:

But they still list it as accepted.


Yes they do, that remains on the database.

Name: Ginger
Fountain, Florida (Zone 8b)
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gingin
May 17, 2012 12:51 PM CST
Thanks Janet and Jay and sorry for the confusion. It has been sorted out in the DB, so I'm gonna mark this closed. I tip my hat to you.
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