I've had some do that, from the old pale seeds & then they were like variegated & then the chlorophyll appeared, eventually & they became nearly normal. That may be why some show those photo on back (of the Japanese seed packets,) the pair of cotyledons. I guess if you forgot to label some, you could easily compare it, to your seedlings & recognize it by the photo....

I think you're correct, and the photo shows the shape which also helps to ID it.

I thought the funny part with the latest packet of 'Ukigumo' was, that it showed the color of the seeds, including the seedling cotyledons ! I think that would be interesting, to add some to Database info & or photos. What do you think?
I recall years ago there use to be a website, to help with seed I.D but also seedlings, too.
Many years ago, they used to show a tiny seedling on some seed packets, so when you weeded, you didn't "pull out" your seedlings & could more easily recognize them that way. (Although , this would help with seedling distinctions.)
Though, that isn't really an issue. But may help sort out seed, before sowing & seedlings, after they've been sown. I didn't look in Database, yet, to see if seed color was noted. Just an idea.. Do you know the actual correct Japanese name, of #2 ?
Near as I could figure, was the translation, being; "Ripples on the Beach'.
p.s. I've tried to edit some posts , which I felt weren't appopriate due to the severe pain, from
my teeth. I'm not sleeping very well, at all & just wanted to make corrections & include an apology.; I'm truly sorry, if I've upset or offended, any of you, here in this Forum..

This is a photo of the Sazanami #2 I am growing. Unfortunately I don't know the answers to the name questions.

Thanks, Joseph. I may be able to add, the Sazanami (#1) with cotyledons of the seedlings, but those seeds are actually dark ( from Ronnie) & #2 was sold as 'Sazanami' by Fukukaen, Seed Co. of Japanese seed packets & the #2 version of seeds are pale.
All I know, is that the difference ought to have been rather obvious, with differnet color seeds, with e same cultivar name.

I actually don't know what is right or wrong. All I know is what is on and inside the seed packet that was traded to me.

Ipomoea carnea is emerging.



Ipomoea orizabensis is looking promising.

About all I'm really trying to point out is that Saznami #2 doesn't have a white picotee., while #1 does.
Might it possibly have another Japanese Cultivar name, more appropriately, to identify it ?

I've bought many seed packets in my lifetime & once it was a packet of carrot seeds, instead of flower seeds, named & depicted on the packet ! lol .

Ronnie, I don't know how long you've grown these Japanese morning glory, if it has been for that many years or if you can possibly help out, with this. I'd really much appreciate your opinion on it. What do you think,may be the possible explanation, for the removal of these seeds, off the market of number two, version & now unobtainable, from Japan, since then ?
It apparently seems to have been quite a few years, since they last exported this other one & I have no idea, approximately when, they discontinued to do so.
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Since I purchased the packet of 'Ukigumo', I noticed, it does have, not only the picture of the dark seeds, but also a small picture of the cotyledons.. which is rather small, but does look green. I'm just having difficulty, understanding how the obviously different colored seeds, could have been interchanged, for a cultivar, with the same name, yet both be 'Sazanami'. It just doesn't make sense, to me. Is there any other pale seed cultivar, similar to "Sazanami #2" ?

Shawn I have been growing MG for a long time but can not answer your question as to when the Sazanami #2 disappeared.
My guess would be that the Fukukaen Company may have just ran out so stopped selling them.

I learned a long time ago not to get hung up on "names" unless they are from a truly reputable seller or trader. Especially from Ebay sellers who grow many seeds and they inevitably cross. One of the reasons I won't sell my seeds. I have invested lots of seed money and didn't get anything even close to the parent plant but have traded with reputable traders and they were spot on!

Nice pink flower today on the other plant.

Joseph, that's a really cool looking flower on that one. I don't want to put a damper, on using names, as it helps us to know what one another is showing & sharing, & flower photos, it is nice to know what it is called.. ( Unless unknown or "questionable." for an I.D. or for proper I.D.) Which the "mixed bag" of seeds, I may just need, help with!

Thank you , Ronnie. Part of what I'm going through, is trying to understand some of the language'.For example ; "hama" , I thought was beach, & "nami "as ripple, etc.. & if it isn't trying to find my reading glasses to see, then it's my painful teeth aggravating me I'll try not to get "hung up" on names, as much !
I just think it helps, with having them & thought possible there just be a different one, instead of the same one, used as a name for those pale seed variety, (circulating, simultaneously, ) with a dark seed variety. It just became, more apparent to me, when I looked at the reverse side 'Ukigumo' packet w/ photos of seed & seedling, too.

.In regards to spending money on seeds that was why, I had started to buy, Japanese packets, instead of Ebay. Yet, if it weren't for some seeds, (given to me, with two seed colors, in same pkt.) I possibly would not have come across a packet with label 'Floating Clouds' either & then realized it was pale seeds & not dark, ( as it thought it to be) & one seed, in "Sazanami" was pale, while all others were dark.
Thank you , Ronnie & Joseph , for contributing to the enjoyable part of posting photos. in the forum!

As for 'Keiryu', I not only purchased that one from Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds, as I Like it, but one flower on the front of packet graphic, depicts a bloom, similar to "Sazanami'" (number two.)
Though I thought I recall, those seeds happened to be dark in color.
Ronnie, are most "blizzard" seeds, dark, in color too? I've sown just about as much as I'm going to grow, for the year... But was curious about that. As I can't seem to recall !
My memory just isn't what it was, after I took a rather hard fall & broke a front tooth.

Ipomoea orizabensis cotyledons have unfurled fairly well.

Joseph, I wonder at times, if this species was actually something more along the lines, of having been introduced & possibly having been "introduced" to there. But, I'm certainly no expert, on those from the Americas, or from Japan.

I don't have any comment. I am just showing what I am growing.

Shawn I can't say that "most" blizzard seeds are dark...I have had both tan and dark seeds produce blizzard flowers

Joseph the orizabensis cotyledons look good

Well , I'll just leave that up to somebody else to figure out. If there isn't a cultivar, with a name, of a similar looking one, then just chock it up some odd happenstance & maybe throw in some jumping genetic transposons & leave it, at that !
I'm too worn out, after over four hours, to simply get my teeth extracted & not much was accomplished, at all.