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Jul 11, 2019 6:18 AM CST
Name: Daniel Erdy
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Are you talking about the spikey ball on a chain thing Hilarious! Thats one hell of a thresher
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Jul 11, 2019 8:36 AM CST
Name: kathy
Michigan (Zone 4b)
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Nicky - so many things we received over the years don't compare to the lessons we learned from our grandparents.
If I could pause from my garden chores for a couple of hours and take my Grandmother (a gardener, too) to lunch I'd be the happiest person. But, she passed away in 1973. Today, if she was alive she'd be 132 years old.
I have some of her perennials in my garden, gifted cuttings I cherish.
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Jul 11, 2019 11:32 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
to ediblelandscapingsc :

No sir! That spikey ball on the end of a chain is a Roman Gladiator thing - what I'm talking about is an age-old threshing tool actually called a flail, which are two sticks tied together. The grain is put in a large pile and the threshers use their flails to repeatedly whack at the pile until it is reduced to chaff and grain, which is then winnowed.

A modern equivalent of the flail is (are) known as "num chucks"

See > Wikipedia "Flail"

pics below ☟from Wikipedia
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Jul 11, 2019 11:38 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
to katesflowers :

Well, you have the memories, and the perennials which she once had, so her spirit will remain close by. Thank you so much for sharing those sentiments.
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Jul 11, 2019 11:40 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
I have edited my previous post with the following data :

size of my plot of Winter Wheat :
3 ft. x 1 ft. 4" (36 inches by 16 inches)

conversions:
[4 inches = approx. .34 feet, or â…“ of a foot]
3 x 1.34 ft. = approx. 4 square feet
1 acre = 43,560 square feet
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Jul 11, 2019 12:27 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
Ready to take a VOLUME measurement of the winnowed Winter Wheat using the metal measuring cups shown in pic, and keeping a tally for notes to add to the data.

As noted in the previous post, the weight is :
306.5 gm (10.8 ounces)

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Jul 11, 2019 1:00 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
VOLUME measurement of winnowed Winter Wheat is exactly 2 level cups (500 ml)
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METRIC conversion:

1 cup = 250 ml

2 cups = 500 ml
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Jul 11, 2019 1:02 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
My previous post has been edited to add the following information to DATA :

VOLUME measurement of winnowed Winter Wheat is exactly 2 level cups (500 ml)
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METRIC conversion:

1 cup = 250 ml

2 cups = 500 ml
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Jul 11, 2019 2:51 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
The first grind of the Winter Wheat. The grain mill is adjusted so the grains are just cracked for the first run through the mill, otherwise if the plates were brought closer together, the grains would bunch up inside the body of the mill as the worm shaft tries to force the whole grains through, and the handle would be very hard to turn, or may not turn at all because of the great pressure.

On the second run through the mill, as the plates are adjusted closer, by turning the handle (red arrow) and locking them in place by turning the wing nut (blue arrow) the cracked grain now becomes a coarse flour. On each successive run through the mill, as the plates are brought closer together, the flour becomes finer and finer.

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Jul 11, 2019 3:23 PM CST
Name: kathy
Michigan (Zone 4b)
near St. Clair MI
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Mmmmmm...and it smells so good.
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Jul 12, 2019 12:30 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
to katesflowers :

♨ ☺
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Jul 12, 2019 5:42 AM CST
Name: kathy
Michigan (Zone 4b)
near St. Clair MI
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I'm looking forward to hearing about that fresh baked bread. Will you cover a slice with big slabs of just picked tomato & crisp lettuce? Or, fresh made raspberry jam? Can I have the end piece?!
"Things won are done, joy's soul lies in the doing." Shakespeare
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Jul 13, 2019 1:08 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
I'm keeping things as primitive as possible, so you won't see it baked in a stainless steel oven, or anything even close to that. It ill be baked over charcoal just like I used to do it in my wilderness camp, about as far away from civilization as you can get in the modern world. Same principals still apply today as they did 100 or 1000 years ago for baking bread.

I do have lots of nice luscious raspberries ripe now in my garden, but I just gobble them down as I walk down the row. Making jam takes too long, and it's mostly sugar anyway. If I want sugar, I just eat plain brown sugar straight from the package, maybe with a few fresh raspberries along with it to "freshen the palate"

I'm going to make a sourdough bread, so before I even begin with the dough, I have to make a sourdough starter ...

And even before that, I'm going to post "alternative methods" for grinding the grain, with an Osterizer blender, and maybe even with just two flat stones ... ☺

Like I said, it's from "A to Z" and that doesn't necessarily mean "E-Z"

In a pinch, instead of bread, you can always just steam the grain like rice and eat it that way, and avoid all of the process of converting the grain to flour, sifting the flour, kneading the dough, letting the dough rise, etc. - which is just "playing with food" in actuality.

I read of an example where travelers on the Oregon Trail would sometimes make "stick bread" by breaking a stick from a tree, put some water into a bowl of flour, twirl the stick around until they had a fair amount of "dough" stuck to it, then bake it over the campfire.

But I will commence with the bread making just as soon as everything else mellows out, like earthquake preparedness (there have been too many rumblings here on the west coast recently to ignore that) and to check the news for what's going on here with the city water - to see whether or not I need to switch to my emergency water supply, as noted by my bro in a Tree-Mail I just saw from him ...
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Jul 14, 2019 4:03 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
Hello followers - I am delaying posts on this thread until the following situation is resolved :

On Saturday, 13 July 2019, I received a Clackamas County Public Alert notice on my answering machine " ... a boil water notice continues ... " (brief message)

Then I checked the local news on my YouTube channel > KPTV FOX 12 Oregon
and viewed the short announcement with map indicating in red the area affected, which includes my residence, so until I find out what's going on here, I am having to go to my emergency water and food supply, and make other adjustments, which will delay my posts on this thread.

Also, can anyone explain to me why I started this thread on the All Things Gardening forum, and now it has been moved to the Sandbox forum? And who moved it? And just what is the Sandbox forum?


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Jul 14, 2019 1:58 PM CST
Kitchener, Ontario Canada
I dunno I guess once the wheat is grown it's not really gardening anymore. It's more of a baking thread now. With a kitty!
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Jul 14, 2019 4:47 PM CST
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
NickyNick said: And just what is the Sandbox forum?

It is a over the fence gossip, or guys bs session place.
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Jul 14, 2019 10:13 PM CST
Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
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Nick you think them moving your thread is bad try having them tell you that you are going off topic on a thread you started. I got told to stay on topic when I started talking about my kids on a thread I started. It was a thread on my seedlings and I said something like and my favorite seedlings and posted pics of my kids only to have a moderator tell me thats great but can we please stay on topic. I told him it was my thread and to leave me alone then got an email saying I had to follow the rules Blinking you talking about mad. If I start a thread I should be able to say whatever I feel lile saying and if people don't it they can just read another thread. I almost left garden.org because of that.
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Jul 15, 2019 3:28 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
to LucyP :

to RpR:

to ediblelandscapingsc :

The moderator or administrator of the "Sandbox forum" is "california_sue" or whatever, who joined in 2010. When I asked why my thread was moved, the reply : "not garden related"

I've been gardening from about the mid-1950s. I joined Dave's Garden in 2009 and was on that until something happened there where I couldn't log in anymore. That was about 6 years ago. On a whim I thought about getting on this Garden.org thing, because my friend, and "adopted daughter" username > sacredorigin - in northern California, was also a Dave's Garden member, so I thought we could do the same thing here (on Garden.org) that we were doing there on DG. Apparently not! Never happened like this on Dave's Garden.

My reply to california_sue : " Not garden related? Keep in mind that you have higher-ups, who I will ask to review your comments!"

No reply back from California_sue (or suzie-Q, as the wolfman might howl on a dark and dreary night) …

Things are gittin' bad all over … - "6's and 7's" as my grandma used to say …

Well, I'm still going to continue my wheat milling and bread making - and I just sent sacredorigin 8 lbs. of various grains which she will receive on Monday - she wants to follow along with me as I do my thing, so I'll be waiting for her, and contacting one of the founders of Garden.org if the babysitter of the Sandbox forum don't get my thread back to where I started it from : the All Things Gardening forum

I can always go back to communicating with "scaredorigin" by phone and snail mail if things don't get resolved here

and look at this box ☟"thread opinions" - what's that all about?

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Jul 15, 2019 7:25 AM CST
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I did not move your thread here, baking bread is not garden related and please go ahead and contact the "higher Ups" to review my comments.
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Jul 15, 2019 12:44 PM CST
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Hi Nick.

The sandbox is a catch-all forum for any allowable topic that members would like to discuss that is not about growing plants.
Since breadmaking falls into a cooking subject and not a gardening one, it belongs in the Sandbox forum where some moderator moved it.

Moving threads happens all of the time in order for the correct audience to see a post. Whichever moderator moved your thread was correct in doing so and has my support to do so again. Calif-Sue said she didn't move it, and I believe her.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to direct them to me. I tip my hat to you.
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