Lilies forum: Identity??????

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Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
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bearsearch
Sep 5, 2012 9:17 AM CST
The photo is not great (my shaky old Dad took it Hilarious! ) but it isn't what was ordered. It was supposed to be Pink Giant, it's not, then I thought maybe Pink Flavour but it's not that either. Now I'm thinking it could be Pearl Jessica. I never actually saw the flower as I was away when it bloomed but it was purchased this spring when a number of the Dutch bulb distributers were selling Pearl Jessica and that has me wondering. Any body have any ideas?????
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Name: Tracey
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magnolialover
Sep 5, 2012 2:08 PM CST

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'Pink Dream' maybe?
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Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
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bearsearch
Sep 5, 2012 5:40 PM CST
I looked at the pictures of Pink Dream that Connie has posted and I'm kinda thinking they might be a renamed Pearl Jessica. I'm saying that because they look identical to me and I've tried to find Pink Dream on the net and come up with nothing except Connie's pictures. I've sent her a tree-mail asking about it. I'm eager to see what she has to say.
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Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
Sep 5, 2012 7:16 PM CST

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Beats me.... one thing I noticed was that the stem and pedicels on my 'Pink Dream' are very dark reddish colored, not green at all. I went out and checked and they have lightened up now to mostly green but still quite dark on the lower part of the stem.



Compare to the photos you posted, Brian, where the pedicels appear to be green. The photo of Pearl Jessica in my Lily Nook catalog shows a dark reddish stem and pedicels. But these photos of PJ appear to be green. Note that the last two photos of PJ show the reverse:

http://z5suburbangardener.blogspot.com/2010/02/pearl-series-...

The 2nd supplement of the lily register describes the stem of PJ as being green. That would seem to point away from PJ and PD being the same. Testing PD for tetraploidy would provide more information so I may try that next year if I remember.

Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
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bearsearch
Sep 5, 2012 8:36 PM CST
Good point! Does the register mention Pink Dream? I wonder if the stem colour is influenced by the temperature or amount of sun it gets? In any case your right there is quite a difference in the stem so I don't think my plants are the same as yours and the green stems would point back to Pearl Jessica. I think I'll drive myself crazy trying to figure out what all my mixed up lilies really are! Blinking Guess I best just enjoy them as they are.
Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Sep 5, 2012 9:05 PM CST

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I can't find anything in the register on Pink Dream. I agree, enjoy them anyway Smiling .
Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Sep 5, 2012 9:08 PM CST
Not that I think you all are on the wrong track (quite the contrary), but it is important to take into consideration all the characteristics of the plant as a whole. Additonal things like:
flower aspect
pedicel aspect, shape and length (also important for secondary/tertiary pedicels)
leaves subtending flowers
bud shape, color, aspect
leaves up and down the stem
even how the sprouts emerge from the soil

A good data base isn't just flowers...
(a hint for all who graciously contribute) Big Grin
Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
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bearsearch
Sep 5, 2012 9:32 PM CST
Rick what does "leaves subtending flowers" mean? Is that the leaves that some lilies have on the pedicel?
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gwhizz
Sep 5, 2012 9:46 PM CST
That is what was sent to me last year as'Pink Giant', you may remember me showing it in a thread.. I just assumed it was 'Pearl Jessica'., Confused
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Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Roosterlorn
Sep 6, 2012 8:36 AM CST
Whatever you have, it looks like it will be a real nice plant for you next year with respectable bud count and from what I can tell, pretty darn good overall plant charactur! Keep in mind that the flower color and intensity aspect of a cultivar can vary from region to region throughout North America--so when you're looking at a picture of the flower only, it's important to first know its primary location, then secondary location identifiers--full sun, dappled shade on down the line. But, the overall base plant charactur identifiers would always be the same.

You can bet the World's Marketplace is full of exactly the same cultivar varient you have, and, now being sold as Pink Giant! 'Hats Off' to your Dad for the pictures!
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Moby
Sep 6, 2012 8:50 AM CST
That's sure a pretty bloom!
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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Sep 7, 2012 8:13 AM CST
bearsearch said:Rick what does "leaves subtending flowers" mean? Is that the leaves that some lilies have on the pedicel?


Yes, or any of the leaves in the inflorescence. That would include any leaves just behind the flower, down the individual flower stems (pedicels) and the ones beginning just below the first flower stems on the main stem on up. Sometimes, they can be telling signs (and sometimes not).

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Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
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bearsearch
Sep 11, 2012 9:05 PM CST
Rick, I could have swore I posted a Thank You for your explanation but I don't know where it went. Anyway I like this site because I'm learning so much about various plants, not just lilies. There are many very knowledgeable people here that freely share their knowledge. I tip my hat to you. Hat's off to all that dun learned me sumptin! Rolling on the floor laughing My english teacher never did think much of my sentence structure and spelling. Thumbs down

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