Well
it looks like this season is winding down
the regular pleianthum plant was collapsing so i grabbed the one pod that had survived and opened it
low and behold there were some viable looking seed
i checked the plant to make sure it was OK and not dying, and it has new starts for next spring
cleaned all the seed in the pod and it looks like maybe only two are viable ?
but will put all of them in the seed tray
so i thought maybe i should look at more pods, and picked a small pod off one of the Kaleidoscope
a k1 x iS Kaleidoscope mother & Imperial sunrise father
plus i took the smaller of two pods off the Red Panda group
RP2 x iS Red Panda group mother w/ Imperial sunrise father , but only one seed
so it looks like i have a lot of seed to start collecting
all those large ones in the pict above are Kaleidoscope x Kaleidoscope