Thank you Janet. I have so far looked at twenty specimens and am on the look out for others. So far I have not come across any mature one. I have heard from others where there are mature strands but I did not get the time to go visit. I wish I could find a prior '47 Forestry Officers Training Manual and Field ID Guide. At least it can give me a timeline as to what was there and what was not.
After the leaves then it will be the turn of the seed pods but at least you and I now have a sneaky suspicion that this is a Australian adventurer having fun with us. Another month to winter solstice, rains(pains) are around the corner. Then I will be all over Aussie plants.
Regards,
Masud.

Once more a post has gone in the wrong thread.

http://garden.org/thread/view_...

Masud, I use what I find as stepping stones to do more searching, that's how I find what I want.

I came across Babul often in the pdf, a search for "Babul tree" then brings different results. Once more I'm finding Acacia nilotica with mention of mature trees not being armed. Young trees are armed, at what stage is a tree considered mature? When it attains a certain height?

http://www.indianetzone.com/4/...

http://kumarpati.wordpress.com...

In section 5.1.4 of this pdf:

Due to severe frosts, Acacia nilotica was found along river course and depression.
However, due to climatic change, frosts occurrence are no more common in upper Sindh and
Acacia nilotica grows in all such areas along the river where moisture is available substantially.

http://foreverindus.org/pdf/ri...

Janet I answered in the wrong thread. Could you please answer me here, I like to go over every thing when I have the free time and best to keep them in their own cabinet. I keep checking and rechecking your links, maybe some day. I have sent a message to Uni Tandojam for the head of department to contact me, lets see.
Regards,
Masud.

Your post from the other thread Masud. You can edit the other post to remove it and leave a note and a link to this thread.

Mature trees of nilotica, the last one's I saw were in Sindh along the Indus river about forty years back. Huge trees.fifty feet or so with a spread about the same in Khannoot forest, district Dadu. It was deep shade under them. I don't think any have survived the greed of man in this area.
What happens is, the trunk and major branches over time lose their thorns but I wont call them thorn less. The minor branches and new growth are still armed.
Babbul and Kikkar are the same tree, Acacia. Babbul is in Urdu/Hindi, same language different names. Depends on which side of the border you are. Kikkar is in Punjabi/Sindhi/Pashto vernacular. Which boils down to this side of the border, with half of Punjab on that side. Urdu/Hindi is the main spoken language but it is evolving into two taking into its folds the local dialects so divergence over time is taking place.
Now when you enter babbul, then the trees from central India predominate. When you enter Kikkar, trees from the Western part predominate. This nilotica started from the Nile area, why don't you check Egypt from where the journey started? See what they have to say, then we have Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan where all it rested on its long journey. By the time it reached us it became subs. indica.
Regards,
Masud.

http://garden.org/thread/view_...

That was a good move to contact the Uni Tandojam, hopefully they can shed some light on this!

Janet thank you
Good morning and hope you catch a few bugs doing their courtship dance today. I want to see the snaps,
Regards,
Masud.

Good morning Masud.

I would be very lucky to see any insects now, it's very dull and 7C, it's going to get colder soon too! I have many threads you can look through though, look at my daily Buglog threads if you have time.

http://cubits.org/buglife/foru...

Good morning Janet, maybe a few bugs still active in the foundations or maybe the eves and the rafters. I forgot the cold greyness which you might be going through. Thank you for the links to your bug logs. Oh! Well! Human Society not worth observing might as well observe bug society. Janet are bugs chivalrous, you know like the under dog going belly up on losing a fight is allowed to go while if any human goes belly up, bang end of story.
Enjoy your day.
Regards,
Masud.

A person has to join your cubit to read even?
Regards,
Masud.

No you shouldn't have to join my cubit to read Masud, I did set it open for anyone to read. If you can't read it there might be a problem, I will check my settings to see if they haven't changed themselves for some unknown reason. What message are you getting?

Nothing Janet, you need hands on experience of every thing, even a Cubit it seems. What is a Cubit? Any way what ever it is I am lost in it.
Regards,
Masud.

All you have to do is click on the title of the thread, or the photo to get the whole thread, much the same as here.

A cubit is something Dave set up before setting up ATP, where anyone who sets up a cubit runs it themselves with whatever content they wish. It's free too! There is a community of cubits, each a part of the whole but each independent of one another. Many of the cubits have moved their content here as they were plant based, some have kept their cubits and databases running. There is also the opportunity for anyone to set up a shop through their cubit, which is great for people who make things on a small scale to sell.

You can join, then you would get thread updates on the cubits homepage if you post, the same as it is here. There is no need to join though, it is open for anyone to view.

http://cubits.org/

Leucaena leucocephala
Regards,
Arif.