Quantity for ID, yes i suppose i can keep this forum busy and happy. Who knows, maybe someone may find something new. I am surrounded by four ranges. 1) North. Himalayas, soil and sedimentary rock formation. 2) North West. Kalla Chitta, metamorphic rock formation with soil in pockets. 3) West. Hindu Kush. igneous rock formation. I can find plants here also. 4) East. Salt range, as the name implies its made up of rock salt with soil in pockets. 5) Desert and arid sand to the South. Then we have riverine. So you see no lack of different ecosystems. All unexplored as far as flora is concerned.
Mirabilis jalapa, agreed. Five confuses me with Jasmine. The enticing flowers with fairy lights are Cannabis Sativa Indica so far, unless someone comes up with something new. I will put up one with white flowers.
That Pinus roxburghii look alike, the pods are different, size of pods vastly different, the new needle growth is different and thats not an isolated tree. The photographs were from different trees.
Herbs? Yes this area is rich in medicinal herbs and quite a few have gone on to the endangered list or extinct due to international demand. Even our tortoises and turtles are on the endangered list due to Chinese demand what they do with the shells, i don't know.
Two links are 404. In this region, not surprising. I can't even search for succulents because to some silly software it sounds like something else?





Above are more photographs in detail and the resolution is ok. You can zoom in. I thought my eyes were not behaving so i felt the branches and no, there are no thorns. I will post a juvenile plant as soon as i find one.

Cannabis Sativa Indica.
Regards,
Masud.

I found a pdf listing the trees of Pakistan!

http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/...

Thank you Janet now this is a hint i can work on.
Love you.
Regards,
KAMasud.

I don't know how helpful this will be but many of the species have descriptions. This site has replaced the eFloras.org Flora of Pakistan.
http://www.tropicos.org/projec...

Evan thank you, i am on to this site but i am not at home base so have a few problems accessing the net. This site i have bookmarked and will be going over it with a fine tooth's comb. Janet is a jewel in finding these, only one problem "Http/1.1 Service Unavailable". Luck of the draw, this time the site seems to be off line.
Regards,
Masud.

I was about to say the site isn't available!

I doubt I could get it on a fresh google, but I don't remember what I searched for when I found it.

It might come back, keep looking! I wish I had copied the list.

I put links to the Pinus species of Pakistan on tropicos in an earlier post, there is a key.

I was going to check the list of Acacia on the pdf which is now not available!

I keep looking at Pinus densiflora, there are yellow forms of that. I thought there was too many needles,although not all of your photos show the upward tufts of needles but have needles along the branches too. The close up shot shows many more needles.

Pinus densiflora aurea doesn't look right.

Both links worked for me just now. Which one are you having trouble accessing?

The trees of Pakistan pdf link, it's working again!

Wow, Masud that is a great pdf. file. When you get home maybe you can dowload it to your computer. Before it disappears again.

Acacia albida, No.
Acacia aneura, Maybe
Acacia catechu, No.
Acacia cyclops, No.
Acacia famesiana, No.
Acacia modesta, No.
Acacia nilotica, No.
Acacia saligna, No.
Acacia senegal, No.
Acacia seyal, No.
Acacia tortilis, No.
Prosopis cineraria, No.
Prosopis juliflora, No.
http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/.... This site done.
Regards,
Masud.

Hello Lynn, i have gone through it during the night. Not much sleep requirements left. I have pooled up with Janet and we do seem to be having fun. She is good at finding things on the net while i go through them.
http://arunachalpradesh.gov.in.... I have polished off this site also. Nothing.
Regards,
Masud.

http://arunachalpradesh.gov.in.... While this area does belong to East Himalayas but it does give a look and feel of a temperate rain forest. Wonder what the annual rainfall in this area is? Please go further East until you come to the Arid part, area between Murree, Abbotabad and Rawalpindi. Join them and you get a triangle.
Regards,
Masud.

There wasn't as many trees listed as I had hoped on the pdf Masud, but it might be useful another time with the information they give.

When I click on your last links I get the Oracle America box asking if I want to allow this site to make changes to my computer! That is Java, they keep asking if I want to update it every day when I had done it not long ago so I decided to let it, new threats are always around.

I got the link from the other thread .. so, I will try to search the areas you mention, so far I have found a lot of tourist sites even when searching for trees! Murree is a beautiful area!

http://arunachalpradesh.gov.in...

I found an interesting pdf, not quite what you are looking for but worth a read! There are some resource references.

http://treesforlife.info/fao/D...

All the Pines you could ever want to research! Photos of each with descriptions and locations!

http://www.scionresearch.com/k...

Pinus strobus 'Aurea' looks close! I'm searching "Pinus Eastern Pakistan"

http://hootowlhollow.blogspot....

Of all the pines, Pinus strobus has perhaps the greatest number of named cultivars, several of which are gold and quite interesting.

http://www.coenosium.com/goldc...

Links, well they were given to me by some one on the other thread. Three lions as avatar.
Janet read the following and tell me what you think. I for one seem to like/agree.

"Another Pinus roxburghii, but with defective genes for chlorophyll production. This makes it poor at photosynthesis, so the cone size is stunted as it doesn't have the energy to produce normal size cones.

Since a lot of people like growing trees with yellow foliage, it would be worth getting this propagated by a nursery (graft shoots onto normal Chir Pine seedlings) for sale as a new cultivar. It could be quite valuable.

Resin"

Wonder why the mutation, age of trees seem to agree with one incident. The 80's invasion by Russia on Afghanistan and these trees are growing in that quadrant.
Want some seeds for grafting?
Regards,
Masud.

I know Resin, he isn't always correct of course but he does seem to know his conifers, I think he must have a good book on the subject as he has on birds. Books are not always correct, he got it wrong when I posted a photo of a bird on DG at a distance which I felt sure was a Green Woodpecker as I had seen it flying, however according to Resin they could not possibly be in my area because his book said so. They are here, with a colony not far away from me, I have even got photos of a young bird in my garden! The moral is, take information from anyone who thinks they know with caution, never take anyone's word for anything unless you are absolutely sure of it yourself.

My logical mind tells me it is very strange that there is a mutation with defective genes stuck amongst many of the same species which are perfectly normal, more so if you think these trees were affected by some sort of chemicals. There isn't enough of the yellow ones to think they could be older than the others, unless the land was mostly bare at the time. I wonder if there is any scientific evidence to prove Resin's claim? If there is it should be cited, otherwise be suspicious. Even if there are trees with defective genes producing this effect, that does not mean yours is one of them. It is often convenient for our minds to want to believe something which may fit a certain event, don't let your mind fool you.

Have you looked at the link I gave with Pinus strobus 'Aurea' ? If anything, it looks like that to me but there are many Pines and this one is not well represented on the internet. It is a beautiful tree, I would love to grow it but I'm afraid it would be too big for the space I have.