I had another cross with Mysterioso - 18-23 (Astrology X Mysterioso).
photos of parents
Astrology

Mysterioso


I can't call it a success, but you might be curious to see the result:

18-23A. This seedling surprised me most of all. As far as I understand - the plicata's pattern is a recessive trait, and if both parents are not plicates, the chances that it will appear in the offspring are minimal. However, this happened and the pliсata was received from the "grandmother"..





18-23B



I can't say that the color combination is unique, but I have left this seedling for now. The rest all, the next-are gone in the compost heap:
с) it had few branches


d)strange shape with concave falls


e)similarly


f)

g)weak ruffled

Sergey ~ 18-23B is a pretty one.

I am surprised that combination created a plicata. It is interesting to see what seedlings are created. Thankyou for the photos

after all traits are passed along from grandparents & great-grandparents as well as parents.

D is an interesting Bi-color, too bad it has such an unusual shape.

Serjio, no, a recessive trait is one which can skip a generation and someimes many generations. It simply can't manifest until two such genes are finallly paired up in an individual. So the parents of your cross each need only be (unaffected) carriers of the recessive gene. And if that's the case, 1/4 of their children will get the two ressive genes needed in order for them to manifest the trait. If both parents are manifesting the plicata trait (homozygous recessive for plicata) then 100% of their children would be plicatas.

It is a dominant gene that can't skip generations. Where present in an individual it always manifests.

What I've said above assumes diploidy, and I know that the percentages would be altered by triploidy and tetraploidy.

Serjio, no, a recessive trait is one which can skip a generation and someimes many generations. It simply can't manifest until two such genes are finallly paired up in an individual. So the parents of your cross each need only be (unaffected) carriers of the recessive gene. And if that's the case, 1/4 of their children will get the two ressive genes needed in order for them to manifest the trait. If both parents are manifesting the plicata trait (homozygous recessive for plicata) then 100% of their children would be plicatas.

It is a dominant gene that can't skip generations. Where present in an individual it always manifests. It can't be hidden and skip generations. It can be masked however, by a (generally) darker colored dominant gene in a different allele location, or in the same allele locaton in the other same-number chromosome.

What I've said above assumes diploidy, and I know that the percentages would be altered by triploidy and tetraploidy.

Wow, Daisy. You know all the science stuff! I just find "ploidy" to be a funny-sounding word. I'm going to go back to read your post and try to understand your detailed explanation.

...and thank you, Daisy.

Thanks for the clarification, Daisy!
I understand correctly that seedlings have a chance of producing plicata if both parents carry this gene, right? However, in Mysterioso, I looked at the pedigree for three generations, and did not find a plicata. Although, who knows.. Tetraploid irises are fraught with many mysteries..

seedlings from the cross 18-201 Alpinview X Mood Ring
parents:
Alpinview

Mood Ring


18-201A: This seedling turned out, of course, not as beautiful as the Mood Ring, but it has a wider shape and should be supposed to have a crazy speed of reproduction, like the Alpenview. We'll see)





18-201B:the usual color scheme that was transmitted from Alpenview. However, an unusual shape of the flower appeared. His parents didn't have one




с) this one was dropped

thank you for your posts, serjio. it's a very interesting journey to go on with you, vicariously!

last evening, i watched an ais presentation of novelty irises, given by bonnie nichols. besides the broken color iris colors, there were quite a few flatties, and tulip shaped irises that have been introduced. i didn't take notes, but the concave falls were "typical" of the tulip shaped ones that have been introduced. i wish i were able to remember some of their names. if i can remember, i will edit this post to include names.

i thought the form and color on some of the novelties were interesting, and would add interest to a garden setting. if i had room, i might be tempted to add flatties and tulip shaped ones.

shizen said:thank you for your posts, serjio. it's very a very interesting journey to go on with you, vicariously!

last evening, i watched an ais presentation of novelty irises, given by bonnie nichols. besides the broken color iris colors, there were quite a few flatties, and tulip shaped irises that have been introduced. i didn't take notes, but the concave falls were "typical" of the tulip shaped ones that have been introduced. i wish i were able to remember some of their names. if i can remember, i will edit this post to include names.

i thought the form and color on some of the novelties were interesting, and would add interest to a garden setting. if i had room, i might be tempted to add flatties and tulip shaped ones.

Thanks! It would be interesting to look at these varieties you are talking about. Are we talking about bearded irises or Japanese ones? At least, I saw in the classification of Japanese irises this form of flower (when the fouls do not open completely)

18-201A Is beautiful and unique I think, The last one is really nice too. Love the yellow Style arms and the yellow hafts.

Serjio, I searched Mysterioso's ancestry way way back and finally found "Blue Shimmer" (a plicata) as an ancestor. There you go! I haven't done the same for Astrology, but there has to be a plicata in its ancestry, too, if you go back far enough. Recessive genes can skip many generations.

Astrology's parent is Confidante, which is also a plicata.

I rather like these two. I think many people would be drawn to the unique colors of 18-201A.

Oops. Daisy beat me to posting. I was responding to Tom's post.

tveguy3 said:18-201A Is beautiful and unique I think, The last one is really nice too. Love the yellow Style arms and the yellow hafts.

I agree with Tom also.

With Tom also.
I especially like 18-201A.