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Dec 15, 2021 7:47 AM CST
Name: María Cecilia Merlo
La Plata, ARGENTINA
The Molothrus bonariensis : young.shiny cowbird ( Common name in Spanish: tordo renegrido ) is a nest parasite—it lays its eggs in the nests of other species and does not raise its own young.
In this case the "mother" who raised it and is feeding the "baby " is a Rufous-collared Sparrow
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Dec 15, 2021 10:31 AM CST
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My Mom made a suet cake for me to try out. It has lard, bird seed, berries, peanuts, and a couple other things (I think to act as "binders"). We'll see if the currently mostly absent birds show up and take an interest in it. If they like it, I imagine I could make some myself. *Blush*
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Dec 16, 2021 5:37 AM CST
Name: Sherri
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@ceci I've seen Wrens here feeding a cowbird, it's always a bit weird to see a small bird feeding such a big baby bird.
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Dec 21, 2021 7:36 AM CST
Name: Kurt
Woodbridge , Va (Zone 7a)
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a Cooper's hawk on the patio from yesterday. It had 10 or 11 sparrows pinned down , hiding in the nooks and crannies.
I scared everyone off to move an extension cord and plug in a bird bath heater.

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A pint can't hold a quart , If it is holding a pint it is doing the best that it can.
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if the evil spirit arms the tiger with claws , brahman provided wings for the dove.
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Dec 21, 2021 8:14 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
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Stellar picture!
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Dec 21, 2021 10:37 AM CST
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Beautiful!

Could you clarify "It had 10 or 11 sparrows pinned down , hiding in the nooks and crannies."? I define "pinned down" as captured... that can't be what you mean...?!
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Dec 21, 2021 11:22 AM CST
Name: Kurt
Woodbridge , Va (Zone 7a)
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Pinned down as in scared stiff , hiding between the hawk and a brick wall. In the nooks and crannies
(between pots and under shelves) the hawk could not fit in. Pinned down as in they were not going anywhere while the hawk was there.

In fact they stayed there 4 or 5 minutes after the hawk left until I started moving things to put the extension cord against the wall
and they started shooting out 3 or 4 at a time as I got right on top of them.
A pint can't hold a quart , If it is holding a pint it is doing the best that it can.
and it is written ,
if the evil spirit arms the tiger with claws , brahman provided wings for the dove.
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Dec 21, 2021 11:26 AM CST
Name: Big Bill
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"Pinned down", as in we can't go anywhere without being eaten.
Krobra, did you consider a Sharp shinned Hawk?
Judging by the arm rest of the piece of lawn furniture that this gorgeous bird is perched on, I am wondering if it is large enough to be a Coopers.
Either way, it is quite an image!!
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Dec 21, 2021 12:15 PM CST
Name: Kurt
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I believe it is a Cooper's Bill , that chair is a little over sized. That arm rest is as wide as my wrist which is 2 and a half inches wide.

But in the end it is just my best guess. Unfortunately I did not get a good shot of the tail which may of helped identifying it a little easier.
A pint can't hold a quart , If it is holding a pint it is doing the best that it can.
and it is written ,
if the evil spirit arms the tiger with claws , brahman provided wings for the dove.
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Dec 21, 2021 12:49 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
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krobra said:I believe it is a Cooper's Bill , that chair is a little over sized. That arm rest is as wide as my wrist which is 2 and a half inches wide.

But in the end it is just my best guess. Unfortunately I did not get a good shot of the tail which may of helped identifying it a little easier.


Boy those 2 sure do look a lot alike! I have to ultimately go with the Cooper's. Those feet sure do look heavy.
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Dec 21, 2021 1:53 PM CST
Name: Peggy
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krobra said:a Cooper's hawk on the patio from yesterday. It had 10 or 11 sparrows pinned down , hiding in the nooks and crannies.
I scared everyone off to move an extension cord and plug in a bird bath heater.
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WOW! Best close-up shot of a Cooper's hawk I've ever seen, Kurt! We get lots of hawks down on CenTx cabin property, but not Coooper's.
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Dec 21, 2021 1:58 PM CST
Name: Big Bill
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I am strongly leaning the other way. I am 99% sure it is a Sharp shinned.
In profile a mature Coopers has a raised, straight ridge line or brow above the eye. It tends to give it a sinister look. The Sharp shin has a gently rounded head, making it sweeter or cute looking. That bird has a round head.
Coopers tend to be between 15-20" tip of beak to tip of tail. The smaller birds tend to be males.
Sharp shins are 11-15" from tip of beak to tip of tail. Do not include the legs. A Coopers sits proudly on longer legs. I have rarely seen one hunch over. That bird is not 15-20" long in my mind.
Coopers do not typically bother with small songbirds like sparrows or finches. Those are too small for them to catch! Sharp shins are much more maneuverable and can catch sparrows much more easily. Coopers love to catch Cardinals, Mourning Doves and Ring neck Doves. Being bigger birds, those make a much better meal.

Plus I am basing my opinion on familiarity. I have seen somewhere around 10,000 Sharp shins in my bird watching life and perhaps 700 Coopers. Both are bird eating Accipiters, but the Coopers with its pronounced brow line and flatter head, reminds me of 'Frankenstein'.
A Coopers has much longer legs and longer tail but we can't see those here.
But when you are fortunate enough to see a Coopers, it is a big bird. Shockingly so compared to a Sharp shin. But all of that comes with experience. It takes hundreds and hundreds of sightings to get comfortable with identification of these. That bird sitting on the arm of that chair is not shockingly big.

And as I often tell my bird watching beginners in my classes, more mistakes are made over estimating the size of a bird. "They just absolutely refuse to sit next to a ruler"!!! Rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 21, 2021 9:26 PM CST
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Hi Kurt,
Beautiful detailed close up capture of the hawk. I tip my hat to you.
Birds can be tricky and especially difficult getting a snap while holding still . He looks Hungary.
Lots of good info offered on what type of hawk.
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Dec 26, 2021 4:12 PM CST
Name: Lynda Horn
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We have lots of sharpies here, and they always prey on my songbirds. I know they have to eat, but really!
I was outside tardily gathering some canna seeds today and saw at least a couple of thousand geese high up in the sky, traveling from east to west. Second time I've been privileged to see this. Just at the right place at the right time.
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Dec 26, 2021 11:14 PM CST
Name: John
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We get a really cool 'mixed flock' at our birdbath every morning around 9:00. 4-6 Yellow-rumped Warblers, 4-12 Western Bluebirds, 4-5 House Finches and the occasional Lesser Goldfinch. Some of the male Bluebirds are such an electric blue they don't seem real. When they decide they need a bath, the water flies! Afterwards I usually go out and refill it because half the water is gone. Last week we had some Cedar Waxwings join in. Very cool, but very shy.
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Dec 28, 2021 8:48 AM CST
Name: Lynda Horn
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How wonderful! I'm looking for the Wax wings because we usually get big flocks come through in the winter time. Maybe up to 300 birds. They stay awhile and clear out all the holly, pyracantha and privet berries before moving on. I had a small flock last spring that had juveniles with it stop by my mulberry tree, and I got to see them up close because the tree is right outside my bathroom window! If the window had been open I could have touched them. It was awesome!
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Dec 29, 2021 8:24 AM CST
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Really great close up shot Kurt, whatever kind of Hawk it is LOL. Thumbs up Thumbs up
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Dec 29, 2021 11:00 AM CST
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Dec 29, 2021 11:05 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
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Dec 29, 2021 11:06 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
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