Plant ID forum: Which Fan Palm?

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Name: Arif Masud
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KAMasud
Jan 18, 2013 8:14 AM CST
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My mind goes to Chamaerops Shrug! but I am not happy.
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Arif.
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jan 20, 2013 10:31 AM CST
I thought at first maybe Washingtonia filifera...but doesn't seem quite right

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=2...

This link has tons of images from around the world
https://www.palms.org/image_gallery.cfm


This link has more info on Palms in Pakistan

http://www.tropicos.org/projectwebportal.aspx?pagename=Home&...

I did discover that one of the palms I have wanted for a very long time is native to your area...Nannorrhops ritchiana, Mazari Palm. This is not the palm in your picture, but I do think it is beautiful.

http://www.florida-palm-trees.com/mazari-palm-tree/
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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Jan 20, 2013 1:19 PM CST
Mazari Palm. Huum, Mazari points towards Sindh. Mazari is a tribe straddling the Baluchistan Sindh border. Mountainous area reaching 48c in summer and somewhere minus 18 or beyond. It should take frost quite well. Let me find out but I think I have seen this clumping not to large palm but then I spent 26 years in Sindh Shrug! .
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Arif.
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jan 21, 2013 10:16 AM CST
I find it's structure very appealing. It can be purchased here in the states, but it is frightfully cost prohibitive. Since it is a very slow growing plant, for me it would have to be a few years old. I found seeds for .50 cents each, and tiny slips (pencil thin trunk with 3 leaves) for $35.....to get one of any size, the cost moves more toward $200 and up. I am afraid it will remain one of my "fantasy plants" Blinking
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Jan 21, 2013 12:04 PM CST
nodding Let me find out a bit more about this palm. You see some plants that we see regularly are not visible to us and this happens to be one of them. Anyway it is not a big palm to start with, what you may be calling slow growth may be its normal growth. Please give me some time.
Mazari palm, fascinating. I think that is a date growing area and my eyes were mostly fixed on date palms.
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Arif.
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jan 21, 2013 12:18 PM CST
I do understand...we tend to overlook common place things nodding It is indeed the nature of the plant to be slow growing...that is why I had hoped for an affordable larger one...but I do understand that the cost goes up considerably on plants of that nature.

Many Thanks Arif,

Moon
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Jan 21, 2013 1:52 PM CST
Thumbs up Give me until morning. It is 1AM.
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Arif.
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jan 22, 2013 8:38 AM CST
I tip my hat to you. Smiling
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Jan 22, 2013 9:54 AM CST
Rolling on the floor laughing I am only laughing at myself and what I found out. Mazari palm seems tobe growing 100 miles from me in the jungles of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansehra
http://eprints.hec.gov.pk/2362/1/2217.htm
now I have to wait for roads to deice then go check.
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Arif.
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jan 22, 2013 1:25 PM CST
Thought you might find this interesting...from 1995

http://www.palms.org/principes/1995/vol39n4p177-182.pdf
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Jan 22, 2013 2:12 PM CST
Irony at its best. Well that is what they survive on. Than you for the link. Khushab is three hours by road. North of me and South of me sighting reports but I have seen it some where.
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Arif.
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jan 22, 2013 6:25 PM CST
You are most welcome Arif.

But what of your original question? Are you any closer to an ID from the other links?

Moon
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Jan 22, 2013 9:05 PM CST
My question? No, no ID. No reaction. Dead. Some times this ID forum gets flashes of inspiration rest, deader the a door nail.
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Arif.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jan 23, 2013 7:04 AM CST
My gut feeling is Trachycarpus but the bare lower stem was not in keeping with what I have seen. There is a possibility it's Trachycarpus latisectus, and I have found a photo which does have the bare lower stem. The second photo in the second link translates as "mature plant".

http://www.plantapalm.com/vpe/photos/Species/trachycarpus_la...

Translation of words above first photo ..

Recently discovered, it resembles a Trachycarpus martianus. Its stem is gray, opr″steneno without fibres (fall extremely fast), crowned with a shiny dark green leaves. These are big and strong, almost circular, fan-shaped (such as Livistona) which fall naturally, leaving a smooth stem. Grow fast, tolerate lows because the Habitat and 2400 meters and up.

Declared resistance: from-15 ° to-16 °The minimum temperature recorded:Adult size: up to 12 metresS″blo diameter of 20 to 25 cmPhoto 10/12 year plant:.


http://exoticplants.ovo.bg/forum/8-16-1

There are several forms of Trachycarpus in and around the Himalayan region, some only recently discovered.

Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Jan 23, 2013 9:15 AM CST
I understand what you mean about the bare lower stem, yes it does seem that T. latisectus has a bare stem. Cold weather palms? I am surprised at how tall they can grow.
Thank you Janet Group hug
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Arif.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jan 23, 2013 11:37 AM CST
I have tried to grow a few different palms from seed Arif, I had some very nice Trachycarpus wagnerianus and Washingtonia filifera along with a few others. Many didn't get far as they don't like our indifferent summers, W. filifera grew well for a start but started to suffer over winter. T. wagnerianus did OK until winter 2010/11 which killed them. The only palm which is reliably hardy here is T. fortunei, I planted one in the ground when it was about 6 years old. It was damaged after winter 2010/11, I had to trim most leaves off as they were badly scorched and even new leaves came out partly scorched but it lived! It looks fine now, the trunk is broad but it doesn't race off at the foot a year as I have heard it can. It's around 13-14 years old now. It has a very fibrous stem.

Windmill Palm (Trachycarpus fortunei)
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Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
Native Plants and Wildflowers I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
KAMasud
Jan 23, 2013 1:21 PM CST
Race of, I have yet to see that with a palm. I wonder why these did not do well in your climate. What is the difference between yours and Scotland? Reported to be happy there. Let me get my computer working then I will find where all these grow here. Now I am also hooked into finding them. Maybe I might be able to collect a few seeds.
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Arif.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Jan 23, 2013 2:01 PM CST
Trachycarpus fortunei does do well here Arif, it was the exceptionally cold winter which damaged leaves. It was the coldest winter for a hundred years! 7 weeks of constant frost, down to -17C at least, that takes some handing.
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jan 23, 2013 5:59 PM CST
I did not realize that T latisectus grew in Pakistan, also. I know T fortunei is grown there as an ornamental. Nice to know.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jan 23, 2013 7:38 PM CST
I'm not certain it is T. latisectus, from what I read about it it's from a very small area and hasn't been in cultivation for very long. I read 1992 somewhere, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been cultivated in Pakistan which I think is very possible. It seems to be a suitable candidate for the growing conditions.

Read this under T. martianus:

Most reports of this palm turn out to be T. fortunei with a bare trunk


http://www.plantapalm.com/vpe/palmkey/trachykey/trachykey.ht...

How bare they mean is another question, could it be a bare trunked T. fortunei? The trunk on mine is broader at the base.

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