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Jan 31, 2013 11:23 AM CST
Name: Sheryl
Hot, hot, hot, Feenix, AZ (Zone 9b)
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Just a side note, Jojoe - next time you water your plant, I'd pull it out of its pot and see how wet it really is. So many of the commercial mixes are *really* tough to re-wet once they've dried, so your plant might not be getting as much water as you think.

Greg, it sounds like "light watering" is probably working great for you, but I had always been told to absolutely soak succulents when watering and then let them dry thoroughly - I'd love to hear your thoughts on that?
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Jan 31, 2013 1:25 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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Sheryl, you know what I think it very much has to do with overall climate of where someone is...so for me in Seattle its cold and damp all winter and winter lasts a long...long time Hilarious! I tend not to use my heat much (low when I'm home and off when I'm not, I have grow lights which are florescent so they don't put out much heat, although they do some, and I'm in an apt. with the person below me probably sending up some heat too!) So for me I watered in the way you described last year and nearly lost, or lost several plants, they got too wet and cold. So this year I read somewhere that if its cold try reserving water and it really seems to be making a difference! My plants are still in their winter mode and shivering, but they're not getting too sad looking! And my babies are doing great, lost no attempts at propagating! (it is slower in the winter I think though!) I tip my hat to you.
Serse - I use a sharp knife, I used to use scissors and it just didn't cut smooth enough and damaged both parent plant and cutting! As with the leaves I just set the rosette on the surface of the soil - a little shaded rather than in full light, also if you take too much off the parent plant you do run the risk of killing it, so I keep that in mind when deciding how much to take, I often have to work at it to only get maybe the top 6 leaves or so of the rosette. After a week or so I put it into the soil.
Also in terms of watering, I tend to water once per week, but I don't water heavily when my plants are indoors.
Hope this info helps! I really only got into having my own succulents 2 years ago, I have always liked them but figured it was too much work to give them the right environment in my zone, but they're actually pretty forgiving and so I live in a jungle now! Almost embarrassing! And all my friends know what they're getting for any gift giving occasion Rolling on the floor laughing
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Jan 31, 2013 4:11 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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I agree Good advice from Greg.
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Jan 31, 2013 5:11 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jelinda AKA jojoe Ivey
Thomson,Ga. (Zone 8a)
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Yea Greg, Lots of help!! Hurray! I have just started growing succulents this summer, after the hubby of a friend that had passed away decided he wasn't successfully keeping the succulents she loved alive and gave them to me.I started out with plants half dead,without names and no idea how to care for them.For every plant that i have brought back or kept alive,i owe many thanks to the wonderful people on ATP.I have learned or am learning a lot!!! Thumbs up

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This just absolutely blew me away or maybe it was looking at mine & knowing they were the same plant is what blew me away. Sad Thumb of 2013-01-31/jojoe/0e0255

What is the thought on succulents acting as other plants do when pruned,will taking the top rosette of the 3 long tall,skinny plants i have help them to grow (fuller) put out new rosettes along the stem,like this other plant has done.Thumb of 2013-01-31/jojoe/974889
A green thumb comes only as a result of the mistakes you make while learning to see things from the plants point of view!!
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Jan 31, 2013 5:26 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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JoJo you should go for it. Here's a picture of an Aeonium that had one main head but it just kept getting taller and taller. I decided to take the one head off and 10 heads grew in its place but only 7 left because other heads were overshadowed by the main dominant heads


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Jan 31, 2013 5:37 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jelinda AKA jojoe Ivey
Thomson,Ga. (Zone 8a)
If a door closes look for a window!
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Sheryl, You hit the problem exactly,there wasn't hardly any soil left except what was hard as a brick around the roots,the plants (4) that i was having this problem with were not soaking up any water.I went against popular advice & wet the soil good then put the succulents that were looking very sad or that i couldn't keep in their pots and yes i potted them together in a shallow plastic pot.I simply took the plant's soil & all from their pot's & placed them in a better environment (i like to think). I won't be watering these plants again for about 3-4 weeks.I usually water my succulents about every 2 weeks,because the soil wasn't soaking up any water these plants probably had not gotten any water in so long i watered them well.I planted them in a very well draining soil that was only slightly damp,this soil probably will soak up some water from the soil that is around the plants i potted.I potted only tender succulents in this pot so it won't be disturbed,these plants are in their home for the summer.

Someone said they kept their plants under lights in winter,may i ask what kind of lights & how strong are they.This is the first time for me & i tried to research it but everyone has different opinions on gro lights.CFL lights,T-5,T-8,T-12,temp. in kelvin how high should you use & how close to the lights should the succulents be placed. Confused

I appreciate the information,it really help's to know what other people have found works for them!!!
A green thumb comes only as a result of the mistakes you make while learning to see things from the plants point of view!!
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Jan 31, 2013 6:53 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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I love the photos!! Hurray! Bev your Aeonium is really nice! JoJoe, personally I would wait until spring to trim anything, I'm really glad you figured out what was going on, the plants will probably respond pretty quickly to the watering!! Big Grin
In answer to your question though - yes, if you cut off the tops it'll grow new rosettes, I've had them grow from different leaves, and I've had them just from the tip - not sure what the difference is but I usually don't care!! You're doing great! I tip my hat to you.
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Jan 31, 2013 8:23 PM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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webesemps said:JoJo you should go for it. Here's a picture of an Aeonium that had one main head but it just kept getting taller and taller. I decided to take the one head off and 10 heads grew in its place but only 7 left because other heads were overshadowed by the main dominant heads


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Thanks for this post Bev! I have been meaning to chop of the head of some of my darker aeoniums, wanted it to grow branches but have been too scared to do it Rolling my eyes. Ah..spring will be very busy for me then..lopping off the heads of some of my tall plants.
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Jan 31, 2013 8:32 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
Container Gardener Foliage Fan Sempervivums Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Garden Ideas: Master Level
Oh, I feel sorry for those little dark aeoniums... Sad Tarev, what storybook character said (at the top of her lungs), "Lop Off Their Heads!"
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Jan 31, 2013 9:11 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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Queen of Hearts, from Through the looking glass! Big Grin
Also, all my Aeoniums grow so slow, is it just the variety that i have or is that normal? They are lovely though
I loved seeing them in Los Angeles in people's yards! huge monstrosities and I can barely get one 3 inches to grow Rolling on the floor laughing
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Jan 31, 2013 9:49 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
Container Gardener Foliage Fan Sempervivums Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Garden Ideas: Master Level
Yes, that's her!
Regarding those slowpoke aeoniums of yours, Greg, you just got to live long enough... Big Grin
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Jan 31, 2013 9:56 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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And bring your plants if you must move! Rolling on the floor laughing Okay well we're working on that! So a few more years and I'll be able to show photos of my seven stalked aeonium! Lovey dubby
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Jan 31, 2013 10:07 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
Container Gardener Foliage Fan Sempervivums Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Garden Ideas: Master Level
Originally 10 stalks and this was the winter version 7 stalked aeonium... Green Grin!
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Jan 31, 2013 10:07 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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Oh Jojoe, your growlight question...first of all I'm the wrong person to ask about kelvin!! Shrug! Since the plants are in my living space I thought it'd be nicer to not have long florescent bulbs and structures so I bought a lot of clamp lamps (16 of them) and I use florescent microbulbs with 5000 lumins of light each, so its pretty bright. I have those on for about 14 hours each day in the winter. People on ATP (in your other thread) were saying that one could do it cheaper, and with less mess by using shop shelves and florescent lights T whatevers for whatever fits your needs, If its for plants for pleasure I would say start with the cheaper ones, or mix cheaper with something midrange! These plants can go through a lot during the winter and bounce back when they're back in the sun! And where you live sounds warm and sunny and they love that! Here in Seattle we very often have low 60 degree weather at 4th of July, so the succulents need more during the winter since it is so out of their norm! Its funny though I just looked and you and I are both zone8 you in A and me in B, I think though that you have humid and hot summer weather, and we really don't have that! Anyway, its all exciting, I love plants and enjoy seeing what other's plants look like, what they enjoy and what they find challenging! Thumbs up
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Jan 31, 2013 10:08 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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Rolling on the floor laughing Bev you crack me up!! OKay I'm sorry 10 stalks! I tip my hat to you.
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Feb 1, 2013 10:45 AM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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You are so funny Bev Big Grin

In this photo, I plan to lop of the head of the tallest lanky dark Aeonium in the middle, hoping it will make branching and have space to do so. Have been too afraid to touch this batch..
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I want it to grow it like this other batch I have. I have removed some branches before, but it did not grow any new branches from the cut off portion. So I had trepidation trimming this one further.
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I did lop of the head of one of the Aeoniums growing in between the Sedum dendroideum last October 2012, thinking if it does not work out, at least I only killed one forlorn stalk...and glad to see it seems it is coming back. I wonder if I can chop this stalk further into two more pieces this Spring and wait for it to root individually
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The head I lopped off last October is now happily growing in my succulent ball planter.
Early Nov 2012
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Feb 1, 2013 1:47 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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So beautiful Tarev!! I love how well they're growing! I would wait until later in the spring and cut those into two separate plants, and maybe then the parent plant will branch out! I have little tiny aeoniums, but I noticed they are branching (its just that the plants themselves are nearly microscopic...but they're branching! - not 10 branches of course Sticking tongue out )
Love our plants!
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Feb 1, 2013 3:09 PM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
Give PEACE a chance!
Adeniums Cat Lover Garden Photography Region: California Houseplants Plays in the sandbox
Orchids Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Composter Cactus and Succulents Dragonflies Hummingbirder
Indeed they are Greg, I am thinking maybe the apical portion is more active to re-grow than the base part of the stem. When I chopped of an aeonoium stem right at the base, it did not re-grow anything from that cut off portion..but if lobbed on the top part, it is more actively growing..unless my timing/season to cut them was off....either early fall or early spring seems to work best for my area here.
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Feb 1, 2013 4:49 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
Container Gardener Foliage Fan Sempervivums Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Garden Ideas: Master Level
I love all this "lopping off the top..." talk. But, let's not descend to "lob"; it doesn't bring about the same excitement to do and what's the purpose? Blinking Lovey dubby
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Feb 1, 2013 5:00 PM CST
Name: Sheryl
Hot, hot, hot, Feenix, AZ (Zone 9b)
Region: Southwest Gardening Charter ATP Member Keeps Horses Dog Lover Cat Lover Permaculture
Butterflies Birds Cottage Gardener Herbs I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises
Ha!

Now, aren't some Aeoniums more likely to branch than others?
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