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Name: Toney
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Cruddy
Mar 17, 2013 9:44 AM CST
valleylynn said:The jet of water would work without using chemicals. Or, if you are having a big problem use one of the systemic type products, like what is used for roses. It will only kill what is feeding on the plant. It is taken up by the roots of the plant and into the leaves.
Toney, not sure what your weather conditons are like right now? Aphids usually aren't a problem for semps. I don't see any on the lovely Maria Laach in your above photo.
Once the lady bugs move in the aphids will disappear. Be sure to check any new plants you bring home for pests before adding them to your garden.



Do you have any suggestions for the systemic type? BTW it has been relatively warm here for March. 70's for the past 2 weeks. There are some aphids on the the Maria Laach picture. Thats how I found them. I blew up that picture and there are 2 on the offset.


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Name: Arif Masud
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KAMasud
Mar 17, 2013 11:33 AM CST
I have a small car cleaner whose reverse side give pressure air if I attach the pipe there. No arguments about high pressure suddenly being released and cooling. Same principle is used in refrigerators and airconditioning plants. If you think you are going to hold the jet constant for long enough to freeze the plant tissue, please don't use it.
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Arif.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Mar 17, 2013 3:12 PM CST

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I can't find my bottle of systemic, and don't remember the name. I used it on all of my plants last fall there were coming indoors. I was having a lot of trouble with fungus gnats and mealy bug. No problems this winter. Hurray! I used it on everything, tender succulents, begonia, tropical hibiscus and adeniums.
I don't use one that has fertilizer in it. I found it online. Hurray!
http://www.amazon.com/Bonide-Product-951-Systemic-Control/dp...

Great article on insect pests.
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/insect/05595.html
Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Mar 17, 2013 4:25 PM CST
The one you linked to uses Imidacloprid as the active systemic ingredient. I use Bayer Advanced 3-in-1 as a liquid that is diluted; same systemic ingredient. There is also Lily Miller granular systemic, active ingredient "acephate" but it has fertilizer in it. I used the Bayer Advanced last year on my semp trays in the greenhouse, they were terribly infested with "something". The iris growers also use Imidacloprid for thrips in Japanese iris. It worked great for me. Do any of these products sound familiar to you? There are so many on the market it can be hard to choose until you find the one best for your needs.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Mar 17, 2013 6:21 PM CST

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the Bonide worked great. I don't want fertilizer for the plants during the winter.
Does the Bayer Advanced have fertilizer?
Looks like there are a lot of great products out there for the pests that bother us in the winter. Thumbs up
Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Mar 17, 2013 6:55 PM CST
No fertilizer in the Bayer 3-in-1. Buying the concentrate is more cost efficient if you need to use much. It is supposed to be good for 30 days but I usually don't need it that often.

http://www.bayeradvanced.com/tree-shrub-care/products/3-in-1...
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Mar 17, 2013 8:54 PM CST

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I have split this off so we can find information easily for systemic use. Let's try to keep this one on topic. If you have used systemics let us know.
Photos and progress reports would be great.
Name: Toney
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Cruddy
Mar 18, 2013 8:24 AM CST
valleylynn said:I can't find my bottle of systemic, and don't remember the name. I used it on all of my plants last fall there were coming indoors. I was having a lot of trouble with fungus gnats and mealy bug. No problems this winter. Hurray! I used it on everything, tender succulents, begonia, tropical hibiscus and adeniums.
I don't use one that has fertilizer in it. I found it online. Hurray!
http://www.amazon.com/Bonide-Product-951-Systemic-Control/dp...

Great article on insect pests.
]http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/insect/05595.html


I ordered the Bonide. Thanks for the suggestion and the article. My Daylilys have been hit as well.

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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Mar 18, 2013 8:47 AM CST

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Let us know how it works for you Toney. I was sure happy with the results.
Name: Arif Masud
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KAMasud
Mar 18, 2013 9:52 AM CST
I tip my hat to you. What about the slugs and snails, don't have those? Nice fresh salad season for them.
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Mar 18, 2013 11:54 AM CST

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I have started using the pellets to kill slugs and snails. I use the one that is save around children and pets. So far so good.
Name: Arif Masud
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KAMasud
Mar 18, 2013 12:20 PM CST
It should be dry enough in the morning after last nights drizzle, if no drizzle tonight then I also will be putting out the bait pellets. I did a round two weeks back also and got a good catch while all the time I was thinking it was to cold for them.
Regards and good night,
Arif.
Name: Bev
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webesemps
Mar 18, 2013 1:43 PM CST
Arif, they were trying to outsmart you thinking that with the power off, you would be sleepy, but I think you got the best of them anyway... Thumbs up
Name: Bev
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webesemps
Mar 18, 2013 1:48 PM CST
I started to use a systemic upon the advice of a nurseryman. It was called Marathon and came in grain/small pellet form that you sprinkled on top of soil and then water. I have been thinking of using again but can't find it since having moved in and out of 2 states. It was awfully expensive and I can't imagine throwing it out during the moves...I may have to start taking down some of the names you all have put out but i am like Lynn, I don't want stuff that has fertilizer in it. I wont even buy soil with fertilizer in it because I want to control the fertilizing agent, method and amount.
Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Mar 18, 2013 2:04 PM CST
It looks like Marathon uses the same systemic component as the Bayer product and the Bonide systemic house plant product, Imidacloprid.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Marathon+systemic&ie=utf-8&oe...
Name: Bev
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webesemps
Mar 18, 2013 3:15 PM CST
thanks Connie; now i really want to find it in my stuff ...to save money.
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Mar 18, 2013 8:55 PM CST
Two weeks back I used Marathon formula not due to slugs but we have fat juicy caterpillar type things underground which polish of the roots. With a heavy heart I used it because it is an indiscriminate killer, the good, the bad and the ugly all gone.

Just for snails I prefer snail bait. Bev I know, these snails are so smart to tell you honestly, much more smarter then overrated humans. Sneaky creatures wait for my bedroom light to be switched of then a complete regiment of foot starts from one corner and polishes of every thing green. Here do one thing. Let a piece of liver rot then put it under a tin at night. Keep one side of the tin raised for access. Next morning you will find a pile of snails/slugs fighting for their chance at the liver piece.

Shrug! What can I do if God made humans stupid Sad .
Regards,
Arif.
Name: Bev
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webesemps
Mar 18, 2013 9:23 PM CST
Liver rot? We do beer here in a tin, but find they don't like the cheap kind...darn snails with their expensive taste... Glare
Thanks for all the funny imagery, Arif. nodding
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Mar 18, 2013 9:25 PM CST
Slugs night out liver with onions and beer! (well maybe in Pakistan non alcohol beer!) Hurray!
Plants bring me peace and calm, more of what we all need Smiling
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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KAMasud
Mar 18, 2013 11:20 PM CST
Whistling You will be surprised at the quantity of alcohol consumed here and the style of consumption. It is drunk as if there won't be another chance and a bottle(full whiskey not half) can be consumed in a sitting of four hours by a single person. Have you ever heard of the term Hippocrates? They coined the term for us Mossies only.
I better shut up.
Regards,
Arif.

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