Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum: Identifying S. 'Niphetos'

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Name: Sandi
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picklepuff
Sep 23, 2013 10:10 PM CST
Another case for the semp detectives! I have 2 different plants sold as 'Niphetos' from 2 different sources. Very different semps. I will post pics of both tomorrow. One is currently in the data base.
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gg5
Sep 24, 2013 12:15 AM CST
Sandi, the photo in the database looks to me like what SMG has listed for this semp...that's the only thing I have to compare to since I don't own this one. Good luck though! I tip my hat to you.
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banker07
Sep 24, 2013 1:56 AM CST
[quote="picklepuff"]Another case for the semp detectives! I have 2 different plants sold as 'Niphetos' from 2 different sources. Very different semps. I will post pics of both tomorrow. One is currently in the data base.


the photo in the database don't look like the S. 'Niphetos' we have in our collections; especially the puffs at the top of the leaves are differing;

your photo:


one of our photos
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Sep 24, 2013 8:02 AM CST

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SMG's http://www.smgsucculents.com/sempervivum%20niphetos
Young's http://www.youngs-garden.com/succulents/hens-and-chicks/niph...
sempervivum-liste.d http://sempervivum-liste.de/Sempervivum/Niphetos

Looking forward to the photos Sandi, so we can see what they look like now.


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twitcher
Sep 24, 2013 9:52 AM CST
I also have Niphetos (which came from the trade with Geiger) and will try to get photos later today to post.
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valleylynn
Sep 24, 2013 11:41 AM CST

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Thank you twit. Look forward to the photo.
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picklepuff
Sep 24, 2013 7:21 PM CST
Ok. So we will call the first on 'Niphetos A' which is in the data base. It has small tufts on the tips and a fine cilia on the leaves.
Thumb of 2013-09-25/picklepuff/c067de
This is 'Niphetos B' which is smooth shiny rounded.
Thumb of 2013-09-25/picklepuff/d53ab6
Thoughts anyone? Sorry for the slightly blurry photos! *Blush*

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valleylynn
Sep 24, 2013 7:39 PM CST

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Wow Sandi, neither one looks correct?
B is totally wrong with the smooth/shiny texture.

How long have you had A? I was just wondering if it so young it is not showing adult characteristis?
Name: Sandi
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picklepuff
Sep 24, 2013 7:50 PM CST
Actually B is younger. B is not completely smooth and shiny. It is shinier than A. Less than a year old. Niphetos A is a little over a year and a half old. Confused
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gg5
Sep 24, 2013 7:55 PM CST
Are they from nurseries Sandi? (I'm just curious)
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picklepuff
Sep 24, 2013 8:41 PM CST
Both are from nurseries.
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gg5
Sep 24, 2013 8:46 PM CST
Hmm that's upsetting Sad
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twitcher
Sep 24, 2013 11:12 PM CST
Here is a pic I have from a younger Niphetos that came from an import shipment from Germany. Sorry I was not able to get a pic of the same from today. I will try tomorrow. It does have tips like the first one in the pic and is obviously fuzzy. Don't know if it loses its fuzz as it ages, but will get a pic for you of this one asap.

Niphetos offset (pic 4-30-2013 early in its 2nd year)
Thumb of 2013-09-25/twitcher/fe53a4

BTW, does anybody know what the name means? I could find a rose named that way, but not the original meaning of the name/word.

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banker07
Sep 25, 2013 1:27 AM CST
Hi twit;

your Niphetos is the same we have in europe in our collections; the fuzz becomes less but doesn't disappear completely; at that time it loses the clear tuffs;

in early spring - when the tuffs are visible and it's real fuzzy - the colour has no green; the green colour appears later and only at a part of the leaves;
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Sep 25, 2013 7:47 AM CST

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Peter, does this one look like a young Niphetos in March? In Denver it is still cold at that time of year.
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banker07
Sep 25, 2013 8:28 AM CST
it's very similar to this

http://www.sempervivum-liste.de/sites/default/files/images03...

so yes - it's maybe a Niphetos but we have to verify that in other seasons!
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Sep 25, 2013 8:56 AM CST

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I agree
Sandi will you keep us updated with photos during the different seasons to see how these two develop?
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Cahac
Sep 25, 2013 9:23 AM CST
Sandi, I got my Niphetos from Youngs last year. the biggest in the clump is about 2" but i'm not too sure of their IDs anymore Confused .. These have been in full sun all day this year.. these are pic i took this morning.
cliff
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Sep 25, 2013 9:30 AM CST

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Cliff, your firs photos looks very much like the first photo in this link, show during winter.
Click on Anzeigen Bilder-Galerie for more photos in different seasons.
http://sempervivum-liste.de/Sempervivum/Niphetos
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Sep 25, 2013 10:02 AM CST
Sandi, so back to your original question...it seems you do have at least one Niphetos! Hurray! Thumbs up
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