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Jun 27, 2011 4:43 AM CST
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Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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This is the crested two year old with a normal bloom. LILLIAN'S ALABAMA SUNRISE X SEEDLING HB42 Thumb of 2011-06-27/spunky1/b22788 This is the same daylily with the crested form. I will line out the clump this fall to watch another season.
Thumb of 2011-06-27/spunky1/be3a7e This is OPEN MY EYES X BLUE LAKE another two year old, haven't decided on this one yet, I like the bloom but bud count is a little less than I like.
Thumb of 2011-06-27/spunky1/4dd9d0 Edge view.
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Jun 27, 2011 9:12 AM CST
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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Fred, those are both sooooo beautiful! But that crested one is incredible! I hope you will be so pleased with it next year that you can introduce it!
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Jun 27, 2011 9:30 AM CST
Name: stephanie king
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I cannot get over the crested one.
The Open My Eyes X Blue Lake is just stunning. I wonder if you did a long cross to the parent with the most buds what you might get.
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Jun 27, 2011 10:04 AM CST
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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Question: What is a long cross?
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Jun 28, 2011 10:40 AM CST
Name: Christine
Southeastern MN (Zone 4a)
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The LILLIAN'S ALABAMA SUNRISE X SEEDLING HB42 is stunning!!! Oh please tell me it will do well in Minnesota!!!

And yes -- what is a "long cross"!!! Confused
"Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously."
2 Corinthians 9:6
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Jun 28, 2011 3:38 PM CST
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Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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I think a long cross would be to take two daylilies and make as many seed as possible from this one cross. I really don't have the room or desire to plant a lot of seed from one cross, I'm more of a hit and miss person. I will be watching the crested seedling next year, I never remember it doing this last year as a one year old. Here's a dip seedling I did two years ago. I took several little round dips and put a 16 inch spider (ALDERSGATE) on them just for fun. This was the best one with tree like branching on a forty inch scape and three inch blooms.I may keep this another year to play with. Thumb of 2011-06-28/spunky1/96f5ef
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Jun 29, 2011 12:00 AM CST
Name: stephanie king
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That one is sweet.

A long cross as I understand it is to take a sibling of the parent to the plant in order to strengthen the genes you desire. In other words take the parent with the tallest scape to the plant and double the genes., or take the parent with the highest bud count to double those genes.
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Jun 29, 2011 4:44 AM CST
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Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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Thanks for clearing that up stephanie, I have heard that term used many times and never really understood just what it ment. Never to old to learn something. I could not believe my ears yesterday about 6PM when it started to rain for the first time in several weeks. Got 3/4" over a one hour period, not a lot but enough to settle the dust. This is a seedling I have kept for several years (BLACKBERRIES AND CREAM X BELLA SERA) because it will set a seed on every bloom. When I am checking pollen from a converted flower I will try to set seed on this seedling, if there is any tet pollen it will set a pod. Thumb of 2011-06-29/spunky1/51e704 This is a seedling from the above and some converted pollen I got from Larry Grace last year, the flower had several of Jack Carpenters patterended eye dips in it which Larry had converted, plus it was an 8" bloom. This seedling doesn't look like much but I now have those genes in a seedling that will most likely set seed and the pollen will be easy to use on my patterens.
Thumb of 2011-06-29/spunky1/da5264 This is another, but I used TET LILLIAN'S THIN ICE which was only partly converted and has now reverted back to a dip. I will pick up a full converson from Trimmer this fall, Jane has been useing it and has some nice seedling from it.
Thumb of 2011-06-29/spunky1/78c02f This is seedling HB42 which I will always use because it's an awesome parent and it being the color it is you can use it with anything and expect good results. You will see it in a lot of my stuff.
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Jun 29, 2011 8:35 AM CST
Name: stephanie king
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Those are some great ones. I see a lot of good coming out of those eyes and the last one has such an awesome edge to pass on so those seedlings from it should be awesome.
Sure hope LTI conversion takes this time as it has so much to offer.
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Jun 29, 2011 9:15 AM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
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Wow Fred those are really gorgeous, love all of them. Lovey dubby
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Jun 29, 2011 10:43 AM CST
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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Beautiful seedlings, Fred, and I can sure see the value of that first one in testing your conversions. It's really fantastic that you have one that is so totally reliable! I'm just starting to make crosses, and with the few I've made I'm already getting a feel for the good pod setters and those that just drop the fertilized flowers right off within a few days. So I've started a quick reference list for myself for next year.

Is your new LILLIAN'S VAPOR TRAIL a tet or a dip?
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Jun 30, 2011 3:53 AM CST
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Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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LVT is a dip but will be converted. I tried having it converted last year but all of it died from the treatment. Will take some more to the person this fall and try again, its not uncommon to kill them when doing this.
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Jun 30, 2011 9:12 AM CST
Name: stephanie king
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I have heard that Fred so make sure you have lots of it before you take it to convert. Too awesome to lose it.
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Jun 30, 2011 12:57 PM CST
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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Wow, that conversion process sounds scary! I'm glad you're having someone else do it for you, but it must be frustrating to have all of it die like that -- before you've even introduced it!
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Jun 30, 2011 3:17 PM CST
Name: Juli
Ohio (Zone 6a)
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Fred, HB42 looks like it may fall under the new sculpted category "cristated" to me. Can't tell without a closeup.
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Jul 1, 2011 10:55 AM CST
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Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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I have enough to introduce it Betty, I would never try to have one converted that I didn't have enough off.
Juli HB42 will never be registered, scape is a little short for a large flower. It does make tall babies because it's from Boundless Beauty.
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Jul 1, 2011 6:14 PM CST
Name: Charlie
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Nice ones Fred
I especially like the dark eyes
Good job
Check out my daylily seedlings Daylily forum page 4
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Jul 2, 2011 5:20 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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Hello Charlie, good to hear from you. This is a two year old still in the seedling field, somehow I missed it last fall or maby it did not bloom. TROPICAL HOT FLASH X ANGELS GATHER AROUND 5.50 " on a 25" well branched scape.Thumb of 2011-07-02/spunky1/aaecea Side view
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Jul 2, 2011 6:34 AM CST
Name: stephanie king
cut bank, MT z 3a-4b
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So glad you found it now.Very very nice soft pastel and a great edge and nice green eye.
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Jul 2, 2011 8:37 AM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
Region: Canadian Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Tip Photographer Garden Ideas: Master Level I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
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That's a lovely bloom Fred.

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