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Sep 8, 2014 3:20 PM CST
Name: Andy
Portland, OR (Zone 8b)
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Two favorites from my patch so far, love the vivid colors on each and I look forward to mixing some clippings next year:

Confusum:


And a spurium noid:
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The confusums have held that bright green pretty much since they went in the ground, but the NOIDs (and my spuriums in general) have varied a bit just over the short span of this summer - this NOID in particular looked much like Greg's phedimus 'dragon's blood' picture about a month ago (I'm fairly sure it's not dragon's blood, as I have some of those adjacent and they are still red/green).
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Sep 8, 2014 3:42 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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OFM pretty!! I love both of them! I'm considering planting my confusum in the ground as it has taken over its pot (which is about a 2 gallon pot) Thumbs up I think there are about 10 or 15 common phedimus spirium on the market (probably more???) but yours is a nice bright color of red!!! Hurray!
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Sep 8, 2014 3:49 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
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Looking on SMG succulents this one looks like it could be yours http://www.smgsucculents.com/S...
but again there are several out there...
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Sep 8, 2014 5:18 PM CST
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About the Phedimus spurium plants, there are so many dark leafed ones now that it can really be difficult to tell them apart. Especially when grown in different conditions of soil and light.

Ofm, that Sedum confusum is wonderful. It looks very happy planted in the ground. I may have to give that a try with some of mine.
Truly gorgeous color on your Phedimus spurium. Thumbs up
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Sep 8, 2014 8:23 PM CST
Name: Andy
Portland, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn said:About the Phedimus spurium plants, there are so many dark leafed ones now that it can really be difficult to tell them apart. Especially when grown in different conditions of soil and light.

Ofm, that Sedum confusum is wonderful. It looks very happy planted in the ground. I may have to give that a try with some of mine.
Truly gorgeous color on your Phedimus spurium. Thumbs up


I was a little surprised at how much the spuriums - even of the same name - varied in appearance in different spots in the yard. There's another NOID that I'm pretty sure is exactly the same as this one (because I bought 2 of each to start) and it's only a dozen feet away and mostly green.

I've had really good luck with confusums in the soil here. I don't think there's anything in that soil in the pic beyond the potting soil that came with the plant. Other than one which was destroyed by a ?squirrel? (I split the remnants across 3 pots, so its destruction was not in vain! Big Grin ) all of mine have done really well. The one in the pic is doing the best of the bunch. I took cuttings from my ground cover sedums about a month ago, and the confusum cuttings are in the top 3 or so there as well. I wanted to run a line of them along my driveway, but could only find two Grumbling .

gg5 said:Looking on SMG succulents this one looks like it could be yours http://www.smgsucculents.com/S...
but again there are several out there...


At this point I think I've given up on IDing it - sometimes it looks exactly like my dragon's bloods! Most of the time it looks better. Big Grin .
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Sep 8, 2014 8:50 PM CST
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Ofm, did your confusum go through last years winter in the ground?
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Sep 8, 2014 10:58 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
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Lynn good question!! I am planning to plant mine this fall, but I have to clear out and amend to soil so its quicker draining. Currently there are california poppies and other wild flowers there, but having a mix of sedum and poppies and upright sedum could be very pretty!! That's my plan, to make a sedum garden area (I especially love ground cover sedum - need to uprights for their height in the background Whistling ) I tip my hat to you.
Oh and here is my sedum apoleipon (a greek sedum) OPA!! What blooms! @MotherRaphaela (in case you are of Greek ethnicity!) Thumbs up

Hurray!
I tip my hat to you.
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Sep 9, 2014 1:12 AM CST
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Beautiful photo Greg. I look forward to seeing the new next year. It sounds wonderful.
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Sep 9, 2014 8:28 AM CST
Name: Mother Raphaela
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gg5 said:Lynn good question!! I am planning to plant mine this fall, but I have to clear out and amend to soil so its quicker draining. Currently there are california poppies and other wild flowers there, but having a mix of sedum and poppies and upright sedum could be very pretty!! That's my plan, to make a sedum garden area (I especially love ground cover sedum - need to uprights for their height in the background Whistling ) I tip my hat to you.
Oh and here is my sedum apoleipon (a greek sedum) OPA!! What blooms! @MotherRaphaela (in case you are of Greek ethnicity!) Thumbs up

Hurray!
I tip my hat to you.


Good morning, Greg. And Thank You! for the beautiful sedum photo! I'm going to guess, if it is from Greece, that it is not hardy here. I'll look it up, though -- you do seem to send temptation in my direction! Angel

My friend hasn't put a lid on our plant budget yet, but I need to put a lid on what I can get in the ground before winter. At least this year! Smiling Let me see if I can get myself out to photograph our couple of "plain Jane" sedums. They have names, but I'll have to do some digging to remember them. And I see one of our dahlias is blooming again... They go into the ground hopefully each year. The tubers do fine; the flowers are a gamble, although if I remember to start them indoors under lights the short season ones generally do give us some flowers. Thumbs up

No, I'm not Greek. Although we only began in 1977, our monastery is the second oldest women's monastery in what is called now the Orthodox Church in America (OCA). Before the Russian Revolution it was begun by a 1794 missionary outreach of the Russian Church in Alaska. It was given "autocephaly," or canonical independence in 1970 by the Patriarch of Moscow, so if anything, our roots are Russian. Aside from a few old "Russian" parishes that will die before they change though, we are simply American. Since we began, small monasteries like ours have sprung up across the country and a Greek "elder" (part of the Greek Archdiocese that is still very much tied to the Old Country) began a whole string of Greek-speaking, very Greek monasteries a little over ten years ago. (I've spoken with him a few times and realize we live in different worlds...) Sad

Our Metropolitan sent me to France in 1978 to stay with a monastery* founded during WW2 by women who had been nuns in Russia. They had left as their monasteries were closed by the Bolsheviks and met working as part of the French underground resistance to the Nazis, hiding Jewish children in trash cans and smuggling them out of the stadiums where they were on the way to concentration camps, saving as many as they could. Some of the old nuns were still there when I arrived: Amazing women, who survived both the Bolsheviks and the Nazis with a sense of humor intact. My own sense of humor definitely got an added flair from them, and also definitely gave me an aversion to playing games!

My personal ethnicity? A dash of American Indian, then English, Irish and German, in order of antiquity, not percentage. So far, we don't have any "old world" sisters. We are all American, raised mostly Protestant and Catholic before discovering the Orthodox Church, with a hodge-podge of backgrounds, from the Northeast, the Midwest and the Deep South. No west coast sisters, but then they have several monasteries there now to pick from.

Lynn, we'd be honored to have you visit! That link to the pictures you found can be a bit misleading, though -- it includes photos from our web site (www.holymyrrhbearers.com) but also from a number of other monasteries and (mostly) Orthodox sources... Some of us were nuns before our monastery began here in 1977 and as refugees from our previous background, we knew what we didn't want to perpetuate here. So we are traditional in that we still wear habits, for example, and have also gladly embraced the Orthodox tradition of freedom: Orthodox monasteries, for instance, don't have "rules." Definitely another whole new world.

That may be more than you were looking for, but hopefully it satisfies everyone's curiosity ! Smiling

*If you'd be interested in learning about them, here are some links. This one gives an idea of the spirit we inherited from their first abbess: http://avowofconversation.word... This is a journal a friend of ours put together while visiting them: http://www.photomonk.net/Fathe...
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Sep 9, 2014 12:41 PM CST
Name: Andy
Portland, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn said:Ofm, did your confusum go through last years winter in the ground?


No. This is my first year doing the "plant thing"...I'm kind of dreading the winter, but that's part of the test - I'll fill out the spots of whatever doesn't survive with more of whatever does (and looks good Big Grin ). I see plenty of sedums - but no confusum yet...hopefully not a bad sign! - when walking around the neighborhood, so I'm hoping mine do as well as those. Lots of Autumn Joy, Dr. John Creech, Dragon's Blood & Angelina around.
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Sep 9, 2014 1:07 PM CST
Name: Mother Raphaela
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This is not exciting, but I'm trying to get something done, so the best way is to procrastinate!

Here are our two sedums. The first, obviously, Autumn Joy which has been in the garden for over 20 years, dug up, divided, moved... The next is a small piece of cauticola 'Lidakense' that has survived total neglect with occasional "weedings" by guests who have managed to leave the weeds (mint with crabgrass, anyone?) and pull up some amazing plants that I still mourn... I love this little guy and hope I can keep spending more time outside, giving it some care!




Lovey dubby
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Sep 9, 2014 3:41 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
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MR - thank you for the history!! I like hearing people's stories!! sad and amazing regarding NAZI's - I've seen these videos on Youtube about "Why the holocaust never happened" one in particular where the film maker goes into great detail about why this and why that = but never getting to the fact that there were witnesses to these horrific events! And people lost family members! (sorry I won't begin my rant here!!!) Thumbs down I thank you for your openness!

OFM - Portland has some great yards!! Sedum are everywhere!! (like Seattle!)
Confusum may be deciduous so make sure you wait long enough into the spring before deciding that you've lost it!
This is my first year with Confusum as well, so we'll see how it does!! Thumbs up
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Sep 9, 2014 3:50 PM CST
Name: Mother Raphaela
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By the way, if you click to enlarge the "Autumn Joy" sedum picture above (and here), you can find the leopard frog on the stone just below and to the right of the sedum... He's a cutie who's hung out there all summer, Lovey dubby although this wasn't the best photo of him... (I didn't notice him this time until after I took the picture) Smiling



Maybe it's a her and we'll have lots of leopard tadpoles next spring! Hurray! We've usually just had plain old green frogs...
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Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM CST
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Thank you ofm, I had S. confusum planted outside for several years, but last years winter did it in. Record lows with no snow cover. It is listed as being hardy to zone 6, but I think zone 8 would be more realistic.

Nice photo MR. S. 'Autumn Joy' has been my go to tall sedum for many years. I love that plant. Yours is beautiful. And I do love that frog, looks like he is smiling for the camera. Big Grin
I looked through the photos before heading outside this morning. They are great. I will save the reading part for this evening.
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Sep 9, 2014 9:06 PM CST
Name: Andy
Portland, OR (Zone 8b)
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MotherRaphaela said:By the way, if you click to enlarge the "Autumn Joy" sedum picture above (and here), you can find the leopard frog on the stone just below and to the right of the sedum... He's a cutie who's hung out there all summer, Lovey dubby although this wasn't the best photo of him... (I didn't notice him this time until after I took the picture) Smiling



Maybe it's a her and we'll have lots of leopard tadpoles next spring! Hurray! We've usually just had plain old green frogs...


That's a nice looking patch of Autumn Joy. There are some huge patches around my neighborhood that I can't help but wonder how old they are.

gg5 said:MR - thank you for the history!! I like hearing people's stories!! sad and amazing regarding NAZI's - I've seen these videos on Youtube about "Why the holocaust never happened" one in particular where the film maker goes into great detail about why this and why that = but never getting to the fact that there were witnesses to these horrific events! And people lost family members! (sorry I won't begin my rant here!!!) Thumbs down I thank you for your openness!

OFM - Portland has some great yards!! Sedum are everywhere!! (like Seattle!)
Confusum may be deciduous so make sure you wait long enough into the spring before deciding that you've lost it!
This is my first year with Confusum as well, so we'll see how it does!! Thumbs up


I've ran into a couple people like that in real life... Confused Grumbling

I know! I'll find myself trekking across town with the family and want to pull over and inspect yards...maybe when the kids are older and more patient. In particular, there are a couple spots around town that have semps growing vertically from walls - it looks pretty crazy when flowering. I need to grab some pictures.

It looks like confusum might be herbaceous (via google) - I guess that means everything falls off until next season? That's going to be interesting.

valleylynn said:Thank you ofm, I had S. confusum planted outside for several years, but last years winter did it in. Record lows with no snow cover. It is listed as being hardy to zone 6, but I think zone 8 would be more realistic.


So do they lose all their leaves/stems for you over the winter?
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Sep 9, 2014 9:50 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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The one in my neighborhood is in a rock wall in full sun, it looses some leaves but not all of them!
I'm curious to see what happens nodding
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Sep 9, 2014 10:09 PM CST
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Mine came through our cold winter well. It was particularly challenging because it is growing on the table so didn't have warmth from the earth under it. Our low temperature was around 1 deg.
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Sep 10, 2014 10:52 AM CST
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I think the key is to keep the roots from rotting in our wet season. Seems like fast draining soil is needed for S. confusum. Mine did lose some of the leaves, but never went complete deciduous.
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Sep 10, 2014 4:20 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
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@OFM you used the term 'herbaceous' - which I'd heard before but never knew exactly what it meant, so I'm glad I looked it up...Herbaceous means dying back to the soil after each growing season - and that is exactly what many of these sedum do!!! (Where as deciduous means falling off - leaves fall off but stems stay in place) I love learning something new!! nodding Thumbs up I tip my hat to you.
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Sep 10, 2014 4:45 PM CST
Name: Marilyn
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Greg, I think you should submit that post to a "Glossary Tip" in the articles button

Here is what I got when I searched:

Need to have this as listed in the "goodies" @Dave
http://garden.org/search/index...

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