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Jul 22, 2011 2:22 PM CST
Name: Arlan Ten Kley
Robertsdale, AL
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Lynn, isn't that a great plant! Your G. paraguayense seems a bit more sculptured than the plant I purchased labeled as G. paraguayense 'Ghosty'. It seems that 'Ghosty' is actually a Graptosedum - a cross between a Graptopetalum and a Sedum. Mine seems to have edges not quite so sharp or defined and also is showing some pink right now that is quite attractive. I have relabeled mine Graptosedum 'Ghosty' in my database....just not on the tag yet! Graptopetalum paraguayense is known as the Ghost plant as you indicate. - Arlan

Graptosedum 'Ghosty' - 07/22/2011
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Jul 22, 2011 3:19 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Your photo is beautiful Arlan. Makes me want to reach out and touch it. : ) I don't remember what growing zone your in. Do you take it indoors for the winter?

Here is my above posted plant last year when it was sent to me in a trade as Ghost Plant. It definitely has a different shape to the leaves that the one I got from you. I'll have to go out and take a photo of it to compare them side by side.

Graptopetalum paraguayense 'Ghost Plant' 3/21/2010
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Found this link to Plant Delights Nursery. The grow it in conditions down to 7°F and have it survive. Needs protection from to much moisture in cold conditions. Wow, mine had none stop rain for months this winter and survived down into the mid teens a few times during winter.
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Jul 22, 2011 7:05 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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Arlan I went out and got the new photo of the sweet:

G. paraguayense Superbum you sent me, 6/6/2011 and 7/22/2011and then Graptopetalum paraguayense Ghost Plant I got 2 years ago.
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Jul 22, 2011 11:08 PM CST
Name: Arlan Ten Kley
Robertsdale, AL
....always taking a closer look!
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Lynn, the plant I sent you looks to be doing great! Love the way it is coloring up. It is actually a different species, Graptopetalum superbum. Here is a picture of the mother plant which was purchased this spring. Click on the title to see more information about this plant.

Graptopetalum superbum - 07/22/2011
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I am in zone 8b and began collecting these plants in March of this year....so have no experience with them through the winters here. I plan on keeping most of them outside, under cover and dry this winter. The hardiness of your Ghost plant is encouraging. - Arlan
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Jul 23, 2011 7:59 AM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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I will see about starting a Graptopetalum paraguayense Ghost Plant for you so you can do a comparison. It is said to have white flowers, mine had not bloomed yet.
Your link is wonderful Arlan, it contains so much information. I had fun going through your database.
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Jul 23, 2011 12:01 PM CST
Name: Arlan Ten Kley
Robertsdale, AL
....always taking a closer look!
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Lynn, I'd love to have a start of your Ghost Plant. I probably have a few babies here you might enjoy as well! Here is a bit more information on Graptopetalum paraguayense from an article posted on International Crassulaceae Network. - Arlan
James E. Low said:PARAGUAYENSE, [Shepherd, 1912], NE Mex., n=68, (flowers whitish, + red markings). Its species name hints that it came from Paraguay: only later did it become clear that it is not from that country, but from Mexico, instead. No plants have been rediscovered in the wild since the first one appeared on a cactus root imported in 1904 by a NY wholesale dealer in succulent plants (F.Weinberg), so exact habitat is unknown, even in year 2000. Read p. 48 of CSSA Journ. of March, 1986. The plants have leaf rosettes much like some Echeveria, but the stems are much too long. Culture so easy it is almost weed-like, and it can even freeze and live. It is perhaps the most widely grown species of this genus. It is a popular species for making hybrids. The ssp. bernalense was found in 1979 by Alfred Lau on the Cerro Bernal mountain range of Tamaulipas state in NE Mexico, so this may be near home of G. paraguayense also. Another possible variation, ssp. mendozae, was found much more recently.
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Jul 23, 2011 12:11 PM CST
Name: Arlan Ten Kley
Robertsdale, AL
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Graptopetalum filiferum is another interesting species of this Genus. This is a new member of my collection that is just settling in.... It sure looks different from the reference information I'm seeing, so I'm not sure if it is the true species or not. I like it none-the -less! - Arlan

Graptopetalum filiferum - 07/22/2011

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Jul 23, 2011 12:44 PM CST
Henderson, NC (Zone 7a)
Charter ATP Member Tip Photographer I sent a postcard to Randy! Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Region: North Carolina
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I clicked on "Sempervivum Plants" at the bottom of this page, and this is the message I got.

Malicious Web Site Blocked

You attempted to access:

http://mountaincrestgardens.co...

This is a known malicious web site. It is recommended that you do NOT visit this site. The detailed report explains the security risks on this site.

For your protection, this web site has been blocked. Visit Symantec to learn more about phishing and internet security.

Should the Web site be removed from here?
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Jul 23, 2011 12:55 PM CST
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Name: Debbie
Denham Springs, La. zone 8b (Zone 8b)
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This is the link I use http://www.mountaincrestgarden... and I just clicked on it and it worked fine.

I just noticed the bottom links (awesome Lynn) and it worked fine too. Hmmmm
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Jul 23, 2011 3:13 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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Faye I just clicked on it and it is working fine for me. I have a really good security system on my computer. Not sure why it is doing that for you. Sounds like it is your settings with Symantec.
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Jul 23, 2011 3:43 PM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Tomato Heads Vermiculture Garden Research Contributor
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Norton found a form on that website that has been used in phishing attacks:

http://safeweb.norton.com/repo...

That means the site is probably safe to use but, but the site has been used in the past by bad guys. It's possible that mountain crest gardens doesn't even know what has happened.

Anyway, I contacted them and told them about it, and I will block their ad right now. It's a shame, though, because they look like a good company and they have a good rating in the garden watchdog.
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Jul 23, 2011 4:28 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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They are a great nursery Dave. Seems to me they had a problem with that last year also. I think mamajack contacted them as we were doing a co-op. The checked into it right away and fixed it. Hope that is the case this time. : )
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Jul 23, 2011 8:06 PM CST
Henderson, NC (Zone 7a)
Charter ATP Member Tip Photographer I sent a postcard to Randy! Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Region: North Carolina
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Thank you Dave. I ordered from them and have no complaints at all, and will order from them again, anytime.
Please don't block their ad if they are not a threat. At least don't do it for me.
Faye
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Jul 25, 2011 6:31 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Tomato Heads Vermiculture Garden Research Contributor
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Mountain crest gardens just replied to me and said they have fixed the problem. I confirmed it through Norton's website so I have now unblocked their ads. Thumbs up
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Jul 25, 2011 7:57 AM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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Hurray! Thank you Dave. Group hug
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Jul 27, 2011 3:55 AM CST
Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Master Level Seller of Garden Stuff I sent a postcard to Randy!
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Thumbs up Thanks! They're a good company!
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Aug 1, 2011 11:53 AM CST
Henderson, NC (Zone 7a)
Charter ATP Member Tip Photographer I sent a postcard to Randy! Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Region: North Carolina
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Thank you again Dave, I'm going there now.
Faye
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Aug 1, 2011 11:55 AM CST
Henderson, NC (Zone 7a)
Charter ATP Member Tip Photographer I sent a postcard to Randy! Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Region: North Carolina
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Hmmmmmmm, well, I thought I was. Must be blind as a bat!
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Aug 1, 2011 3:11 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
Here is a link to Mountaincrest Gardens. http://mountaincrestgardens.co...
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Aug 3, 2011 4:38 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
Well my little seed grown tender succulents are beginning to look like something. Just don't know what they are. Rolling on the floor laughing The two in the photo to the right are the same but showing different sides. Out of approx. 25 seeds these are the only three that germinated.
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