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Feb 25, 2015 11:07 AM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
The one constant in life is change
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The folks who run the big wholesale nursery where we shop in Apopka are either from the Philippines or Indonesia, and are Spanish speakers. Luckily, Jim is fluent in Spanish so it's great to go with him. Although they do all speak some English.

Like any state, there are large ethnic communities in Florida - a huge Cuban community in Miami and a pretty good sized one in Tampa as well. Fun to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there unless I learned Spanish. But if you moved to this area, you wouldn't suffer the snowbird traffic like your son does because you don't commute to work, and you'd certainly choose one of the communities that was not in an ethnic area so I'm sure you'd love it and feel right at home.
Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
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Feb 25, 2015 11:26 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Listening to my son and daughter-in-law, they don't like snow-birds for three reasons, and the traffic is only one of those reasons.

They love to golf and say the golf courses literally double all fees/rates during the snow-bird months. My son is like me - he's somewhat "frugal" and that extra expense really galls him. And being in the mall business, he has to deal with the snow-birds, typically when someone is unhappy with something. He says they are gross, rude, and pushy.

Now, I can't relate to any of this, so I am simply stating what I hear. Talk about traffic. I have never seen worse traffic than in and south of Miami. Making the drive to Homestead was an ordeal. I don't know how or why anyone would spend their life, doing this day-after-day, year-after-year.
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Feb 25, 2015 11:33 AM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
The one constant in life is change
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I don't play much golf and never shop at a mall, so I guess I'm missing out on those joys. You?

We play 9 holes in the evenings sometimes, at our local public course and quite often we're the only people on the course. Usually after Daylight Savings time goes in so, probably also after most of the snowbirds have flown north, too.

If you think your son hates the shoppers at his mall, you should hear the shop owners in Europe and Canada talk about the rude, pushy gross American tourists there! Bad reputation, wherever tourists go, I guess.
Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
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Feb 25, 2015 11:42 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I have never played golf. Just thought it was a waste of "good" time. I like to accomplish things with my time. Whistling Way, way back, when I was in my late 20's, and just starting out in the business of dentistry, I had two good friends who were avid golfers. In fact one of them was so good that when he came back from Viet Nam, he had to decide whether to turn pro or enter law school. He went to law school and is a judge now. Anyway...........I mentioned to those two friends that I was interested in taking golf lessons so that I could golf with them. They both chuckled, and even today I can hear them saying: "Ken, you are a perfectionist and have little patience when it comes to failure. The last thing you want to do is take up the game of golf. It would drive you crazy and you would ultimately be miserable. Find another hobby!" I went out and bought a boat. Whistling
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Feb 25, 2015 11:43 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I have never played golf. Just thought it was a waste of "good" time. I like to accomplish things with my time. Whistling Way, way back, when I was in my late 20's, and just starting out in the business of dentistry, I had two good friends who were avid golfers. In fact one of them was so good that when he came back from Viet Nam, he had to decide whether to turn pro or enter law school. He went to law school and is a judge now. Anyway...........I mentioned to those two friends that I was interested in taking golf lessons so that I could golf with them. They both chuckled, and even today I can hear them saying: "Ken, you are a perfectionist and have little patience when it comes to failure. The last thing you want to do is take up the game of golf. It would drive you crazy and you would ultimately be miserable. Find another hobby!" I went out and bought a boat. Whistling

Those Americans are probably the same snow birds y'all get every year. My wife and I are "good" tourists. And we even bathe every day. Sticking tongue out
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Feb 25, 2015 12:11 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
The one constant in life is change
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Herbs Region: Florida Vegetable Grower Daylilies Birds Cat Lover
So true, Ken. It only takes a few rude, gross people to give a whole country a bad reputation as tourists.

As for golf, yeah, there's more than one way to play. I don't keep score, I pick up my ball and drop it beside my husband's so I don't slow him down, and I enjoy the nice walk and the pretty landscaping and the birds . . . frustrates him no end, because, well he's like you. He gets so frustrated with golfing that he 'quits' at least once a year and doesn't go for a month or two. Then we dust off the clubs again. I've been tempted to video him chopping at the ball (with my cell phone that takes HD video btw Big Grin ) but it would just frustrate him more to know that half the time he uses the club like an axe . . .
Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
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Feb 25, 2015 12:41 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Rolling on the floor laughing Whistling Rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 25, 2015 4:11 PM CST
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Name: David Paul
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I do hope tourists notice that I try to bathe everyday too, should I breeze by one here in DeLand! Smiling
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Feb 25, 2015 4:13 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I was talking more about traveling in Europe. Hilarious!
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Feb 25, 2015 6:47 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
The one constant in life is change
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Couple of survivors coming along with the warm weather. White Giant calla putting up a new bloom, and Brazilian flame.
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Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
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Feb 25, 2015 6:58 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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I sowed about 1.5 lbs. of phlox on the property today. Mixed up soil & got 4 plants moved into larger pots.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Feb 25, 2015 7:04 PM CST

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Feb 25, 2015 7:06 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Feb 25, 2015 8:53 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
This is what I faced today.

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drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Feb 25, 2015 8:55 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
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I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Feb 25, 2015 9:01 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I think those up north would say "Gosh, we see this all the time". But for me, and for others in the deep south, these scenes are like candy to a child (and some adults Whistling ). Snow has and always will just be delightful and amazing to me. It will mostly melt tomorrow, but it has and will make (tomorrow morning) wonderful winter-wonderland scenes.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Feb 25, 2015 9:05 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
I agree
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Feb 26, 2015 5:14 AM CST
Name: Kate
Holmes Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Don't even get me started on snowbirds. The rise of snowbirds during tourist season here is directly proportional to the 1. amount of litter I see everywhere, 2. the public drunkenness, 3. the traffic, 4. the influx of hooked, injured seabirds at the wildlife rescue, 5. the overall crankiness of everyone, and for some reason the elimination of the organic/natural foods aisle at our island Publix. !?!? It returns as soon as they all go back home in September! Confused

To each their own regarding snow..... Thumbs down I've been trying to move back to FL for the last decade and finally I'm here...I'm not leaving! My family has generations of history here. My great great grandfather immigrated here from the Asturias region of Spain, and every generation until me was born/raised in the orange groves. So the roots run deep in the blood, I guess.

Ken, good for you for taking the initiative to get that tropicals course rolling!!!! I have been looking at the Florida Master Naturalist and Master Gardener programs, but I have missed the first two modules here in Manatee county...they started beginning of Feb. D'oh!
"A garden isn't meant to be useful. It's for joy." - Rumer Godden
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Feb 26, 2015 7:09 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
This morning at 6:00 AM, in my backyard. We ended up with 6" and its really beautiful (and cold!) right now. The greenhouse stayed warm throughout. Notice the melted show near the peak of the greenhouse. All my garlic (300) is under that blanket of snow in the foreground of the final picture.

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drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Feb 26, 2015 7:47 AM CST
Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
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well....at least its pretty, and its getting to be the end of winter, not the beginning.

I did laugh this morning when I heard the news, looks like the police in Jackson Mississippi are going to be required to learn spanish. I guess you can run, but you sure cant hide Blinking

I would like to say, I have never had a problem with people as a group speaking whatever they want. They are great people, I loved loved to go down to Ybor city and hang out, they have always been hard workers, nice. As I said the other day, my problem is every day interaction out in public, and having people talk about you, and you cant understand it, especially at the DMV etc., were it really matters. I like to give everyone a fair shake, its a tough world, but.... sometimes Angry

I hope things get better here weather wise, it was suppose to be sunny today, and it isnt looking that way right now. Its still chilly too if the sun is not out.

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