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Mar 1, 2015 5:41 AM CST
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Name: David Paul
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Oh I've got the Butterflies, Bees Hilarious! and the plants, and then some!
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Mar 1, 2015 7:31 AM CST
Name: Kate
Holmes Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Not all those who wander are lost.
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I am now motivated to grow a butterfly garden! We have a garden bed that will soon be empty. We are fixing our collapsing seawall, and right in front, there's a garden with palms. The palms are going bye-bye, so it's a blank slate.

I need plants that are salt-tolerant, obviously....it's right on the water....and it's probably 3 feet wide by 30 feet long, with a white fence on the end separating us from the neighbor yard.

I'm thinking:

Passionflower up the white fence
Blanketflower
Beach sunflower

...and, I'm stumped. *Blush*
"A garden isn't meant to be useful. It's for joy." - Rumer Godden
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Mar 1, 2015 8:21 AM CST

Plumerias Photo Contest Winner: 2015 Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Forum moderator
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Plumeria is salt tolerant.... Whistling
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Mar 1, 2015 8:31 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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How about some ginger?
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Mar 1, 2015 8:52 AM CST
Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
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What about some 'never say die' mexican petunias. I have finally have embraced them. Hummers love them too.
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Mar 1, 2015 9:00 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
It sort of depends on whether you want something tall, something short, or in between. Shrug!
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Mar 1, 2015 9:30 AM CST
Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
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Well, I dont know if anyone else got caught in this yesterday. Very sad, altho at the time you didnt know what happened. Sat in this for 4 hours yesterday, finally made it over to 441, but so was everyone else. That was lone long trip back from Melbourne.
http://www.gainesville.com/art... :crying:

I happened about 2:30, and by 8, northbound traffic was a parking lot from south of ocala, to well past lake city. I still cant calm down Blinking
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Mar 1, 2015 9:33 AM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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The tall Mex petunias are on the invasives list here, Pam. Even though they still sell them in the box stores, we are not encouraged to plant them. And they absolutely are invasive, popping up everywhere if you don't contain them with a deep concrete edging.

Kate, if you venture out to Florida Native Plants, you will get lots of ideas. Just be sure to tell them you are out on a barrier island. The butterfly area at Selby is another good source of inspiration, and they are right on the bay there.

Have you seen this? http://www.swfwmd.state.fl.us/...

The fifth entry down is a fantastic resource for Florida Friendly plants and lists salt tolerance for each plant. It's a 110 page download though, so if you can get a hard copy, that is more handy I've found. Our Extension office used to give them out. Check with Manatee (or click "Add to Cart").

What a terrible accident, there. But . . who lets their child ride in a car without a seat belt?
Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
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Mar 1, 2015 9:39 AM CST

Plumerias Photo Contest Winner: 2015 Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Forum moderator
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Pam, very sad indeed. Why on earth was the little girl not wearing a seatbelt though. I have to shake my head... in a way it makes it sadder, because her death could have been avoided.
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Mar 1, 2015 9:39 AM CST
Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
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I have never bought one, used to hate them, now I find they just bloom bloom bloom. I do see them for sale at HD.
Of course, I am the only person left alive that actually like the brazilian peppers. Its a childhood thing I guess. I know they are a no no too, so I just look them along I 95 / 192, swampy places like that.
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Mar 1, 2015 10:35 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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Mexican Petunia (Ruellia simplex) is listed as a Category I Invasive in Florida and not a good choice to consider. Instead you might like to try the native Carolina Wild Petunia (Ruellia caroliniensis)

More salt tolerant plants for Florida gardens; trees, shrubs, ground covers etc.:
http://floridafriendlyplants.c...
http://floridafriendlyplants.c...
http://hos.ufl.edu/sites/defau...

This nursery is on the east coast but many of the plants listed should work well on the gulf coast too:
http://www.rockledgegardens.co...

This nursery listing is on the SW coast and has listings of good plants to try:
http://www.riverlandnursery.co...
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~ Playing in the dirt is my therapy ... and I'm in therapy a lot!


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Mar 1, 2015 10:49 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

Region: Ukraine Region: United States of America Bird Bath, Fountain and Waterfall Region: Florida Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Pam, that was such a sad accident on I-75 yesterday. I can't understand why that little girl was not buckled up. I know there are some people who despise seat belts and feel it is their right not to wear them but I sure don't understand their mind set regarding that issue. The adults in that vehicle were apparently buckled, and should have seen to it that the 10 year old had her safety belt buckled as well. Sad
~ I'm an old gal who still loves playing in the dirt!
~ Playing in the dirt is my therapy ... and I'm in therapy a lot!


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Mar 1, 2015 1:18 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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So glad to see lots of you guys embracing the butterflies and the necessary caterpillars that result. I've had so many people at MOSI over the years ask me what's eating their parsley, dill, fennel, etc. And when I point out the Black Swallowtail flying in the flight cage they usually freak out on me and feel terrible they were killing butterflies. A friend of my dad's is a retired five-star chef and he grows his own herbs, naturally. He asked me about the caterpillars last year and I told him and his wife and he felt so awful. But at least I've managed to convert a lot of people and I just encourage them to plant some extra and move the caterpillars over to a plant or two to sacrifice. Or bring your extras to MOSI where we will give them a happy home!

Glad to see there are others on here preaching against the invasives. I hate seeing them for sale at the big box stores. I'm not sure why we can't get a law passed banning them for sale. I know other states are really restrictive about what you can or can't ship into the state (just check any gardening catalog). As far as I know, Florida only seems to care about Dogwoods and Citrus.

I'm off to start a new butterfly thread for March where I will show my fabulous pictures from today!
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Mar 1, 2015 6:33 PM CST
Name: Kate
Holmes Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Not all those who wander are lost.
Bromeliad Cactus and Succulents Region: Florida Foliage Fan Orchids Organic Gardener
Plant and/or Seed Trader Tropicals Xeriscape
I don't like the look of the mexican petunias...plus they sorta take over....but I remember someone on here recommending a dwarf variety that's more compact. I love the compact look. Plumerias are a great idea, too. Can gingers tolerate full sun most of the day?
"A garden isn't meant to be useful. It's for joy." - Rumer Godden
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Mar 1, 2015 6:53 PM CST
Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
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UF developed some dwarf varieties that are sterile. Im not sure if those are on the market or not. Confused
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Mar 1, 2015 9:14 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
The one constant in life is change
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My gingers like about half a day's sun at the most, Kate. They also need a lot of water, so if you're planting a butterfly garden, they're probably not all that well suited. Most of the other butterfly plants I've had are pretty drought tolerant.
Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
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Mar 2, 2015 7:25 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Thumbs up I have a full yard/landscape irrigation system. Watering is no problem. Yes, gingers, particularly the 'White Butterfly Ginger' that I grow does take a lot of water and if you want it to bloom well and bloom long, regular fertilizing is helpful. But I have found that this ginger is adaptive as well. It can go through dry periods and can even grow in almost swampy areas. For best blooming it should get a minimum of 6 hrs. of direct sun, the more the better.

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drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Mar 2, 2015 1:41 PM CST
Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
Bee Lover The WITWIT Badge Region: Ukraine Enjoys or suffers hot summers Pollen collector Native Plants and Wildflowers
Hydrangeas Hummingbirder Dragonflies Daylilies Butterflies Birds
Beautiful day, sunny and 78, blue skies, FULL of sand hill cranes. The are heading north in mass. Havent gotten a thing done watching them all morning. Good thing is, it should herald spring to those a bit north of us. They would never be going back to cold.

I grow mainly pine cone ginger. I do have some of the white butterfly, just to smell it once or twice a year. YUM Same with my common orange ginger.

When I went out this morning, I was sure I would get so much done, wow does the body need to get some kinks out for some of the heavy lifting Blinking
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Mar 2, 2015 1:42 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I can assure you those sand hill cranes are a week early! It is going to be awfully cold by the end of the week for y'all in northern FL.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Mar 2, 2015 2:02 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Hi folks! I have a conundrum. Lin was nice enough to help me out a few weeks ago and identify a fern that is a thorn in my side (gardening pun, intended). She said it was a Southern Sword Fern (Nephrolepis cordifolia) which is a Category I invasive. And I HATE invasives. The skunk vine is hard enough to keep up with! I have these things growing in several places in my yard. Pulling them out of the ground didn't used to be too difficult, but they've interspersed themselves with my bromeliads which has become a problem. Harder to root out (another pun, there) are the ones in the oak tree.

Now, you guys know I'm a butterfly gardener, but I think it may be time for some chemical warfare. I don't think they make anything special just to kill ferns and I don't really want to carpet bomb my yard. Does anyone have experience eradicating these things and how did you do it? Do I just have to keep pulling and digging because that only seems to work short term. Is there anything I can just maybe "paint" on the leaves that will kill it so I don't have to worry about accidentally spraying other plants? If I spray the ones in the tree, will the tree be okay? Any advice is appreciated! Here are some photos to give you an idea of what's going on. I really want to add some more bromeliads to my oak but I kind of have to get rid of the ferns first.

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