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Nov 20, 2015 5:44 PM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Butterflies Vegetable Grower Keeper of Poultry Irises Keeps Horses Dog Lover
Daylilies Cat Lover Region: Wisconsin Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I have heard, but don't know for real, that transporting any plant life into or out of New Zealand is nearly impossible.
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Nov 20, 2015 8:02 PM CST
Name: Lori Morrow
Enid, OK (Zone 6b)
I want them all!
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Daylilies Irises Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Oklahoma
Don't go bursting my bubble this early in the game! Sad Sad I can still dream of having beauties from New Zealand over here...and there are always the little iris fairies that just make things happen that are not supposed to. You know like the tutu wearing, gun toting, iris nabbers I have heard about. Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 20, 2015 8:04 PM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Western Kentucky (Zone 7a)
Bee Lover Irises Hummingbirder Hostas Keeps Horses Farmer
Daylilies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Container Gardener Cat Lover Region: Kentucky Birds
oooooooooooh -- I've heard about those too, Lori -- do you suppose they're real????
Thoughts become things -- choose the good ones. (www.tut.com)
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Nov 20, 2015 9:35 PM CST
Name: Nicky
Mid Central, Nth Island, New Z
Ohhh I've not sent anything like seeds or plants overseas before? I'm not sure if its tough to export compare to importing. NZ had closed its border against imports (animals, plants etc) 10-15 years years ago (so tough over here!) so it could be highly difficult for me to receive seeds, plants than it would be for sending seeds/plants out (they're extremely efficient in stopping plant matters entering our borders with the technology that they have)...I don't know Confused ...I will have to make some enquiries around here (in NZ) asking the nurseries whether they're in the import business and how they go about it. Whistling But they might not tell me due to me being a potential opponent to their business...who knows unlike I ask, right?

If I had to pick one iris, above all else, it would have to be a variegated one. I love the look of these variegated ones. Sticking tongue out Had anyone done any hybridising using variegated ones? Are they sterile? Not true to seeds? I haven't delved into variegated ones due to thinking we dont have any here? Confused

I know that no commercial growers have them (and we only have a few known Iris nurseries here, about 5-6 of them in NZ) and the chance of finding someone growing them would be just as lucky as finding a needle in a hay stack. Crying
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Nov 20, 2015 9:46 PM CST
Name: Nicky
Mid Central, Nth Island, New Z
Lestv said: Welcome! Nicky

I rather like your ugly/pretty NOid. It does look like a Blyth (like Thrillionaire), but I am sure there are probably NZ hybridizers whose work we never see here that should be considered.

Ohhhh its very close isn't it? I've noticed the colours of both style-arms, Trillionaire have a bit of lilac purple on its style crest...on the lip part I think? I'm wondering if Trillionaire have PBF as its name is not in my PBF file? My file may need a bit of updating to catch up

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Nov 20, 2015 10:02 PM CST
Name: Nicky
Mid Central, Nth Island, New Z
enidcandles said:

Why yes, @Henhouse, I AM shameless!!! So...while I am at it, if there happen to be any Whiting, Loomis, Nicholls or Lapham irises in NZ that I don't have would you send those too @Firecentaurr_NZ ?? Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Drooling Drooling
I am sure there is Something over here that I could send you that you can't manage to get there!!


Oh I will have to consult my folders to see if I got any of Nicholl ones, I have ordered a few irises from her last year...but none were her own 'creations'...I was after Jean Stevens Irises which she had advertised. I've got somewhat 15 Jean Stevens irises, well actually.....make that 14, as I've got one called 'Argosy' that didn't look anything like 'Argosy.'

I need to compare Winston Churchill against Indian chief (or was it Dauntless, one of them I know have PBF)...so I've yet to see whether I have the real mc coy or another misnomer. I should know by the end of the day. NZ is now experiencing the joys of the late seasoned bloomers, at the moment Big Grin

Have any of you come across another hybridiser called 'Busch'? Ron Busch?
I have 3 of his irises, 'Irwell Surprise, Irwell Minstrel and Irwell Isles.
Two of them bloomed except for Irwell Minstrel. The most annoying thing about Busch's irises is that while they're listed on the AIS, I am certain that nearly every single one of them have 'parentages unknown.' Thumbs down
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Nov 21, 2015 3:16 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sherry Austin
Santa Cruz, CA (Zone 9a)
Birds Bulbs Region: California Dragonflies Foliage Fan Irises
Keeper of Poultry Roses Photo Contest Winner: 2015
Mid-America has some variegated varieties that they've introduced. 'Variegated Wonder' was a sport of 'Wonders Never Cease', if memory serves me right. They introduced 'Leprechaun's Trick' this year which they say they are using in their hybridizing program to get better flowers and variegation. Bravo to them!

I wouldn't be surprised if Brad Kasparek (Zebra Gardens) wasn't also working on variegation as well. He was offering quite a few a couple of years back.
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Nov 21, 2015 3:30 AM CST
Name: John
Kansas City,MO (Zone 6a)
Composter Region: Missouri Plays in the sandbox Enjoys or suffers cold winters
I started to look online for Zebra Gardens last year but could not find a currently active link. I did find a message or two eluding to Brad retiring. Is Brad still active?
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Nov 21, 2015 12:47 PM CST
Name: Carl Boro
Milpitas, CA (Zone 10b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner: 2015
I checked the commercial listings in the latest (Fall) AIS Bulletin. There is a listing for Zebra Gardens. They give an address but no website. A price list is $3.00

The address is:

Brad & Kathie Kasperek
9130 North 5200 West
Elwood, Utah 84337

They also list a phone number:

435-257-0736
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Nov 21, 2015 2:08 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Tri Cities, WA (Zone 6b)
irises
Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener Irises Region: Northeast US Region: United Kingdom Region: United States of America
Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Neither of them has been well.
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Nov 21, 2015 6:01 PM CST
Name: Nicky
Mid Central, Nth Island, New Z
irisarian said:Neither of them has been well.


I was at one of the Iris Show (in Palmerston North) when I was having a chat with this lady who was one of the judges...she told me how she was over there, met up with Brad Kasperek, that he was as eccentric as the names he bestowed on his irises. Apparently he was dressed up, some clothing that was zebra stripes etc etc lol. He sounded a very interesting person I'm all ears! Love to hear more about this guy and yes he's known over here, we've got a number of his broken coloured irises here too

I'm sorry to hear he's not well, and his other half? Blinking
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Nov 21, 2015 6:24 PM CST
Name: Nicky
Mid Central, Nth Island, New Z
I am pleased to see that my Winston Churchill is 'Winston Churchill' I can now upgrade its profile to 'identity confirmed' (its profile upgraded to another folder)....so just in case someone else may be looking for the same answer, I've included a tiled image featuring Winston Churchill, Indian Chief and Dauntless.

Please forgive me in appearing to be showing off, I do love this type of identification process Lovey dubby and I enjoy the challenges that comes with it. My findings could be useful to other members who could be searching for the same answer. Smiling

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Nov 21, 2015 7:13 PM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Western Kentucky (Zone 7a)
Bee Lover Irises Hummingbirder Hostas Keeps Horses Farmer
Daylilies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Container Gardener Cat Lover Region: Kentucky Birds
No apologies necessary Fire -- we love showing off our Irises!! Smiling
Thoughts become things -- choose the good ones. (www.tut.com)
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Nov 21, 2015 9:11 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Tri Cities, WA (Zone 6b)
irises
Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener Irises Region: Northeast US Region: United Kingdom Region: United States of America
Enjoys or suffers cold winters
One can see why it is so difficult to ID some of those.
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Nov 21, 2015 9:22 PM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
Garden Photography Cat Lover Irises Region: North Carolina Peonies Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Sorry I can't say if Thrillionaire has PBF. Not listed anywhere I have checked. I like how thorough you are checking all the parts of the iris before making an ID.
"The chimera is a one time happenstance event where the plant has a senior moment and forgets what it is doing." - Paul Black
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Nov 22, 2015 2:21 AM CST
Name: Nicky
Mid Central, Nth Island, New Z
irisarian said:One can see why it is so difficult to ID some of those.


Yes, and I believe that you only need one 'difference' to determine one cultivar Smiling
I also think many home gardeners just dont realise how many tens of thousands there are so telling themselves, oh its a red one, or a blue one, or its blue and white. I'd say Iris lovers are a little more in-depth, like other collectors of other interests
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Nov 22, 2015 2:26 AM CST
Name: Nicky
Mid Central, Nth Island, New Z
Lestv said:Sorry I can't say if Thrillionaire has PBF. Not listed anywhere I have checked. I like how thorough you are checking all the parts of the iris before making an ID.


Thank You! Lestv, I'm sure the neighbours dont understand when I go out several times to check for new blooms, inspecting the blooms and taking photographs like one never saw a flower before lol. I had to explain what I was doing to avoid having neighbours thinking I'm one of those weirdos! *Blush* Rolling my eyes. Often I wait until the neighbours aint looking or gone out lol *I can't belive I'm going about my business furtively Rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 22, 2015 4:19 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
Nicky, what are the differences that helped determine the above irises from each other?
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Nov 22, 2015 10:40 AM CST
Name: Nicky
Mid Central, Nth Island, New Z
Most important thing when a bloom appear is to take 100s of images, focusing on one cultivar at a time.
Blooming times helps so when Dauntless first appear, I took heaps and heaps of photos. I knew I had two other cultivars that are going to look similar to Dauntless. It was then important to establish as many photos as possible (I needn't have worried really).

When the photographs get uploaded, processed, cut and pasted into a folder (each cultivar will have a folder each), I then match my images against those found on google, AIS, ATP, HIPS, NZ sources, even the old iris catalogues.
From there, I'm able to discern whether I've received the correct cultivar or a misnomer.

The correct cultivar, once proven, will have its profile upgraded to the main file. The main file contain profiles of all the 'proved' cultivars. Any misnomers, together with their images, will have their profiles put into a separate folder, for me to figure out later.

I do the same process over again when Indian chief started blooming. At its blooming peak, it was the most symmetrical cultivar I've ever seen (matched one image I've seen, of Indian chief on-line), if you can see three beards in one line of vision, you'll see the perfect symmetry. I thought it was that amazing that if someone told me to choose one red, I'll be keeping Indian chief.....definitely!

Now there's 2 red blooms to compare when Winston Churchill opened up. Indian chief was ruled out due to having no PBF. Indian chief and Dauntless have PBF, but Winston Churchill is not Dauntless because Dauntless have blue and yellow coloured style arms (Winston Churchill's is red and yellow).

The more time spent on working on one cultivar, the more you become familiar with it.

If you want to go 'deep' about things in general, you'd never know more than the creator of the said cultivar you're working on.
You're pretty much relying on consistencies of images, the belief of other people, old catalogues, which is useful for descriptions, the consistencies as found within 'groups' such as AIS, ATP, HIPS, (all I've mentioned earlier), making comparisions between them all but if the creators still remembers and recognise their own creations, only they'd know for sure. So you try and get as close to what they perceived as being the 'Real McCoy' cultivar.

I work with 2 montiors which covers a lot more ground than minimising and maximising tabs! ;-)
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Nov 22, 2015 10:58 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sherry Austin
Santa Cruz, CA (Zone 9a)
Birds Bulbs Region: California Dragonflies Foliage Fan Irises
Keeper of Poultry Roses Photo Contest Winner: 2015
Nicky, Do you try to get "proven" examples to grow next to you NOIDS. Some, I don't think you need to do that. I think what pushed me over the edge Iris appreciator, into Iris mania was searching for names for Iris that were existing on my property. I'm nearly 100% certain that I've got 'Indian Chief' and 'Crimson King' just on the preponderance of evidence. Early on, I had a hard time telling IC and Dauntless apart. Now, there's no question as to the dissimilarities of the two. Also, IC has a wire line on the edges of its standards that makes ID and elimination of other possibilities easier.
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