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Jun 20, 2015 3:49 PM CST
central Illinois
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Red Admiral
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Jun 20, 2015 3:51 PM CST
central Illinois
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Cinda - Red Admiral ... nice pics
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Jun 20, 2015 4:19 PM CST
Name: Cinda
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Thanks they do not cooperate ...but I was just glad to see them back after a week of rain.

You must be much more stealthy or have a good zoom Smiling
..a balanced life is worth pursuit.
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Jun 20, 2015 4:39 PM CST
San Diego (Zone 10a)
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Jun 20, 2015 4:56 PM CST
Name: Cinda
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That is some intense color Blinking
we don't have them here.
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Jun 20, 2015 5:32 PM CST
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Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Jimard8, where are you located?

Everyone has Red Admirals but me - they're long gone by this time of year. Ann, butterflies do have "broods" as they call them and sometimes there are down times while everyone is either a caterpillar or a chrysalis. It seems to happen a couple times per year. We get a little spoiled in Florida because the butterflies breed constantly, but it still seems like even we get little "breaks" every now and then. Maybe they're all hiding in their chrysalises because it's just too darn hot!

Mark, I forgot Gulf Fritillaries were out West, too. We don't have enough West Coast folks on the thread, so hang out with us! I also noticed that Frit doesn't seem to have as many markings as I'm used to seeing. I wonder if that's a regional thing or just specific to the one you happened to see?
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Jun 20, 2015 6:29 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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Really great Pic's all ,,
millielong I am along Highway 32 in Indiana , North of Indianapolis , South of Kokomo , Guess I need to say East Central Indiana and I need to update my profile ,
Seeing lots of Skippers , This evening dried off a little and a few hours of several , only I am not fast with a camera ,
In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Jun 20, 2015 6:50 PM CST
San Diego (Zone 10a)
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I'm from San Diego! Don't know much about butterflies I just happened to be at the right place at the right time lol...what kind would that be?? Thanks guys!
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Jun 20, 2015 6:58 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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I believe that is a Queen Butterfly Mark619 we do not have them here either ,,
In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Jun 20, 2015 7:00 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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Mark, that's a Gulf Fritillary.

So lovely to see some new people on here enjoying the butterflies! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

I love those Red Admirals & Commas. So bright!
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Jun 20, 2015 7:06 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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Well I knew I saw it someplace in the list of Butterflies I don't have Thumbs up Hilarious!
I don't get those here either Sad Thank You!
In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Jun 20, 2015 7:10 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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See, this is why I like having people from all over the place on the thread. We get to see butterflies we don't get to see normally! And we get to see what kind of range they have, some have subspecies in different regions, and some just have small regional differences. When our international visitors drop in, things can get even more interesting!
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Jun 20, 2015 7:41 PM CST
Name: Cinda
Indiana Zone 5b
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Hurray!
Hey Jim , we are almost neighbors.
I am 5 miles north of Burlington.

so how far do butterflies travel? we may be sharing some Rolling my eyes.
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Jun 20, 2015 8:34 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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I was floored when I saw the Gulf Frit Mark had posted & he's in California! My first thought was that's not on the Gulf. Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! I did not know they were in the west so I learned something new tonight.

Melanie, thanks for the explanation on why I'm probably not seeing any butterflies here right now. Yes, we Floridians do get rather spoiled & then look at us -- we get downright demanding! Hilarious!
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Jun 20, 2015 8:47 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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Gardengus your near Lafayette ,? I am on the other side of the East -West Divide , more near Muncie , About 45 minutes apart if the traffic and conditions are good .
Well you know Monarchs fly from Canada to central Mexico , Most fly several hundred if not thousands of miles ,
Buckeye and Red Admiral will migrate , as towards Georgia and Florida
A few Butterflies will overwinter here in dormancy Mourning Cloak , and some Chrysalis of Red Admiral will overwinter ,
Bunches of info i do not know , and other info that I try to remember .
Yes Cinda :. we likely do share a few Smiling Smiling Smiling
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Jun 21, 2015 1:50 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
It may be the middle of the night on the East Coast, but I'm awake so it's time to post some pictures. I've been asleep for the better part of two days. For those who are new, I have chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia. But these last two days I've slept a lot even for me! But I did manage to feed the caterpillars and get some pictures.

FYI, the Black ST cat that I accidentally squished appears to be fine. I had three big ones in there and two have gut purged with a third looking like he's about to any minute. So he must have recovered. Frankly, all this gut purging is pretty gross. That's one of the reasons when people tell me raising butterflies sounds "so magical", I'm like, "No, it's mostly cleaning up poop." Or frass, if we want to be technical. I only have two Black ST cats left so luckily the purging is almost done. Until some female comes along and lays more eggs, anyway. And if it's that Tiger ST that keeps flying around, I promise not to complain. I will continue to complain about the heat, though. If the weatherman says it feels like 1000 degrees outside, which he did, I think I have the right to complain. And I'm a native Floridian! But it got hot really early this year. I can only take so many months of this weather.

The butterflies, on the other hand, thrive in the heat. Since they're cold-blooded creatures, they need solar power to warm them up so they can fly. I went out to pick passion vine Friday afternoon when I woke up and saw a flash of yellow. I thought it was the Tiger, but it turned out to be the Giant Swallowtail. Unlike the Tiger, who only ate the red pentas, the Giant seemed to prefer all colors of penta.

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I was about to walk back in the house when another visitor showed up. This time it was a Spicebush Swallowtail. Known to some as the Green Cloud Swallowtail or the Green Swallowtail, you can see the color on mine is like a silvery-gray-green mix. That means it's probably a male. Some scientists believe Florida has a subspecies of Spicebush Swallowtails due to this coloration. This one didn't nectar as long as the Giant and instead was doing swoops back and forth over the butterfly garden. Not sure what that was about. Maybe he was claiming the territory, which is fine by me.

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I had my eye on a Zebra Longwing chrysalis all day (except the parts where I was asleep) so naturally it chose to emerge during the ten minutes I was outside. Since it was almost 5pm by this time and everyone knows that's when we get our thunderstorms every day in the summer, I figured I better keep this one overnight. I let it go in the morning and it flew over to the oak tree to chill. Well, technically I guess butterflies don't chill, they bask. Chilling would be bad. Anyway, here it is in my kitchen where the lighting is way too yellow. The one wing stayed a little wrinkled for some reason, but it flew just fine so I'm not worried.

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Saturday morning I went to Panera for a bagel (Asiago is my fave) and this Monk Skipper was already out. It was pretty early but I guess that porterweed was tasty. I can always identify the Monk Skipper by the total lack of markings, the reddish brown color (which is sometimes more brown), but most of all by that super long proboscis. Seriously, doesn't that thing look way longer than it should be in proportion to the body? Also, as a reminder, the Monk Skipper is an import to the state. They host on palm trees so I bet you can figure out how they got here and why they stayed. Rolling my eyes. Perhaps because it was so early and it hadn't yet gotten hot enough to fry my eggs on the driveway, the Monk actually opened its wings and basked a little. I don't think I've ever seen one with its wings open so that was cool.

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Ugh, my Black ST moved so I just looked and it totally gut purged. Now it's going to enter the wandering phase which is where it crawls around and on top of everything looking for the best place to pupate. I've been moving most of them over to the pupation chamber (as I've been calling the critter keeper with all the chrysalises in it) but I think I'll leave this one in the critter keeper he's already in. I am going to have to clean that thing when I'm done typing.

Oh, funny story. The runt of my Black ST litter was molting the other day. He was actually on a stem so I just broke it off and was cleaning the tank and put new food in there and all. Later in the day, I noticed there was a caterpillar above him that looked like it was going to gut purge. I thought, "I should probably move the little guy" and then I promptly fell back asleep. So poor little guy who was trying to molt got gut purged on. This is not the first time this has happened. So while I was cleaning the tank (again), I took him over to the sink and rinsed him off. Caterpillars really do not like this and they will stinkhorn you but you have to tell them it's for their own good. I patted him dry with a paper towel and he's fine now. I still felt pretty bad for him, though.

Speaking of caterpillars, my Io Moths are molting and getting bigger and fuzzier. But don't let that be a temptation because they will sting you! They have urticating hairs that break off in your skin. (Side fact: Nettles are in the genus Urtica so I imagine the pain is similar.) If you ever get stung, take some tape and place over the hairs and then rip it off. It can pull the hairs off. Also, apply Benadryl cream or something like that. If you have signs of a severe allergic reaction, call 911 or get thee to the ER! And as always, if you're not sure what it is, don't touch it!

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As some of you may remember, I pulled my Tropical Milkweed but I still have seedlings popping up. I was pulling some the other day when I found about six Monarch cats. I moved them over to the Giant Milkweed, but I hadn't seen them in a few days and was getting worried. But tonight, I left to make a Starbucks run and saw big piles of frass. And you know what that means - caterpillars! If you want to find caterpillars, think like their predators and look for frass. They're usually not far from it. By the way, I found three big Monarch cats tonight. The others may have been too high up for me to see.

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And on a final note, Mom and I went to see "Jurassic World" which was lots of fun. I kept my eyes open for butterflies because you know the park is supposed to be located on an island off Costa Rica. I only saw one scene where they were traveling through a meadow and what looked like some White butterflies were flying around. But the dinosaurs were really cool and I was scared plenty of times. I didn't even eat any Skittles this time because I didn't want to be known as "the lady who died choking on a Skittle while watching "Jurassic World". And for those who are just joining us or missed the part where I talked about this, butterflies had not evolved by the time the dinosaurs went extinct, but there were moths. So no butterflies ever landed on a dinosaur, but moths were flying around in the night.
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Jun 21, 2015 2:24 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Okay, I had to clean that tank so I took some photos. So we were talking the other day about how some caterpillars can make either green or brown chrysalises and while there are some theories as to why, no one seems to be able to say for sure. Right now, the caterpillar that just gut purged keeps crawling around these two chrysalises which is getting annoying because they keep wiggling and hitting against the plastic. But as you can see, one is green and the other is light brown. I have two of these light brown ones. It's like they weren't ready to commit to being completely brown. Rolling my eyes. As you can see, they are mere inches away from each other, so why the difference?

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Here's another light tan one that's in a different container. What I think is neat is that both the lighter brown ones have traces of the yellow stripes like you normally see on the green ones.

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See the yellow striping on the green one? One thing I can't figure out is why they build their chrysalises so close to each other. It may be due to the forced captivity and limited space. I also think the caterpillars will choose a spot that's already silked up to make their chrysalis. I call them lazy, but I suppose it's smart to conserve energy and not make your own silk pad when there's already one there. Also, I don't think caterpillars are smart enough to realize they're next to a chrysalis. Tiny brains in these guys.

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And finally, here's the last caterpillar still eating. He's the runt of the litter. He's also the one that got the bath in the sink. I did a census to see how many Black STs I have total and it's 25 when you count all the chrysalises and caterpillars. I remember I had 30 at one point and I did lose some and then I found some more caterpillars, but considering only 1 to 2% survive in nature, I'd say I did well. I should probably release them somewhere other than my yard so I don't get egg-bombed again! Melanie needs a break!

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Jun 21, 2015 11:04 AM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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I was up at about 5am this morning , storms ,, lightning, thunder , downpours , this morning ,with temperatures still in the 70's now . First is a Question Mark , as before , lots of Red Admirals here this year ,, Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
these are trying to warm up and dry their wings , Shrug! Shrug! Shrug!
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Great pics Mellielong , good info the pics and info you do ,, As you long as you don't dream about the Dinosaurs , it is fun ,, Smiling Smiling Smiling
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Jun 21, 2015 2:16 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Greene, thanks for the acorns! I'm blushing! *Blush*

Jim, no dreams about the dinosaurs, but I did dream I was back at college and Tom Brady was my roommate. Let's just say you get a lot of perks when the star quarterback is your roomie! Rolling on the floor laughing

I went out to pick some food (native Wisteria) for the Io Moths who seem to be eating a lot more lately. It was too hot so I came right back in. We have the blinds partly open and I've been watching various things fly by. I saw a Sulphur which is good because they seem to be in a lull right now, like Ann and I were talking about. I know I had a few eggs on the Senna last time I looked, but I haven't been swarmed with caterpillars in a while. They'll show up soon enough and I'll be back to complaining about feeding the little beasties.

There was an article in the newspaper today about Monarchs and I thanked my parents for leaving it out for me, but I told them I usually just get angry. It was about a local butterfly farm and they had good practices, like testing the butterflies for OE. But there was no mention of choosing the right milkweed, although they did warn about buying from Home Depot and Lowe's. And they mentioned the fact that only 1% of eggs usually make it to adulthood and the farm owner was like, "That's not good." And I was thinking, "No, that's nature." Let's not be alarmist if we don't have to. They also talked about how Monarchs are being considered for the endangered list but made no mention of how the migration is in danger, so it's not like those of us down in Florida can make a real impact on that. It's the middle of the country that needs to get with the program and save us from being drowned in corn and soybeans! So I guess I was just a little irked that they weren't telling the entire story.

In happier Monarch news, Mom saw one of the caterpillars this morning. She said it was kind of obvious because he was so heavy the leaf was hanging down. That's good. I like a fat caterpillar. A fat caterpillar is a healthy caterpillar! Hilarious!
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Jun 21, 2015 2:34 PM CST
Name: Christine
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I have a question Melanie. What does 'stinkhorn' mean? Is it the same as stinging with their hairs or do emit stink?

Neither sounds like fun. Hilarious!

Not long ago I saw a big fuzzy caterpillar (actually saw several of the same) that I thought looked like it could sting me. I think it's a Tiger moth caterpillar. I'm having trouble uploading photos again so will try later.
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