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Dec 9, 2015 7:27 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Region: Ukraine Dahlias I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Houseplants Tomato Heads Garden Ideas: Level 1
Plant Identifier Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Same here, @drdawg - I don't want to move but I don't want to see the gardens go downhill. I'd be content to expire in the garden on a nice October day, amidst the blooming dahlias.
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Dec 9, 2015 7:49 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
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drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Dec 9, 2015 10:03 AM CST
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Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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Weedwhacker said:

Absolutely! Nothing wrong with hiring people to do it (and I hope it didn't sound like I thought there WAS something wrong with doing so *Blush* ). We have what I keep reminding DH is a "country yard." It's big, it's not very level, and it has weeds. And ants. Every 2 or 3 years I'll go out and spray and try to beat the weeds back a bit... need to keep the grass fairly healthy to provide mulch for my garden! Most of the mowing involves sitting on the John Deere, plus a little weed whacking here and there (which I'm trying to minimize more and more as time goes by).

What in the world do people who live in condos do with all their time??



Take lots of trips? Redecorate? Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!
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Dec 9, 2015 10:09 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Tomato Heads I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Vegetable Grower Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge)
Birds Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Roses Photo Contest Winner: 2016
abhege said:Today we prepared three rows for early spring planting. I have never done this before so I am really hoping it works and I can get some things in the ground and covered early. Rows were tilled, a layer of compost put on and then a layer of newspaper and then leaves/straw. We changed our configuration so the rows are still 50'x 3.5' but the aisles are wide enough to take the lawnmower tractor through. What a difference putting on the compost with the trailer right there! We used to do the Eliott Coleman configuration with 3.5' rows and 18" aisles. It is very tight and hard to kneel and weed/pick in 18".

The dark shadow is from the row of new solar panels that are now where my strawberries used to be. Not to worry, I have two new rows in different places. Matt didn't waste any time using garden space when we decided to not do Farmer's Market next year.


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I think I will try and take a better picture tomorrow morning.

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Looks great and I think getting as much done in the fall as one can is the way to go. Thumbs up
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Dec 9, 2015 1:29 PM CST
Name: Mary
The dry side of Oregon
Be yourself, you can be no one else
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Arlene, that's a big solar panel! Somebody who is good at math can figure out the shade question. It has to do with the angle of the sun, which as it gets higher will cause a smaller shadow. As for it now, the sun is just a few days from it's lowest point. Your latitude also figures into the equation. I might have a book about greenhouses that has the formula.
Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.
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Dec 9, 2015 3:16 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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@Greene found some links to online sun angle calculators. This is the link that I saved:

http://www.findmyshadow.com/in...
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Dec 10, 2015 6:34 AM CST
Name: Judy
Simpsonville SC (Zone 7b)
Peonies Plant and/or Seed Trader I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 1
@pirl your image of bring found decomposed in the garden was SO funny! If anyone is looking for Christmas gifts for an old gardener (it would not be appropriate or thoughtful to give garden tools or knee lets at this point for my Elderkt MIL) I found a great gift. It's called GreenPrints, a paperback gardeners quarterly that comes in the mail -- actual US mail-- and has lovely essays and funny insights into the gardeners soul. I ordered myself s subscription and one for my MIL. They just sent her the gift card so I should hear from her any day now. Some of us could probably write for them with these entertaining posts I've been seeing. I guess you can tell it's winter because we have time to write.
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Dec 10, 2015 7:58 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Region: Ukraine Dahlias I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Houseplants Tomato Heads Garden Ideas: Level 1
Plant Identifier Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I've seen GreenPrints and enjoyed it. First I have to catch up on a few years of Fine Gardening. Before that I still have to finish gardening for 2015 and maybe start for 2016.
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Dec 10, 2015 12:42 PM CST
Name: Mary Stella
Chester, VA (Zone 7b)
Dahlias Canning and food preservation Lilies Peonies Permaculture Ponds
Garden Ideas: Level 2
We also have many landscaping companies and one year we had them take care of the lawn. They didn't do a great job, mowed when it wasn't necessary (costing more money) and generally irritated me. My yard/garden out back is my "Secret Garden" and I don't want it invaded. I can totter around out there and fall on my face due to crummy balance issues with impunity. Not loss of face. Maybe butt not not face. Hilarious!

I am hoping the Preen will help with the annual invasion of chickweed. I despise the stuff and spend far too much time pulling it up. Which is fruitless labor as it just grows all the more. I guess I could order some good mulch or bark stuff to put between the plants after applying preen. Some fairly fine stuff. Or just go to Lowe's and get some. Like Arlene's yard it would take about 20 bags but I could handle that.

Well off to attack the inside of the house now. Talk about fruitless....
From -60 Alaska to +100 Virginia. Wahoo
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Dec 10, 2015 3:48 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Region: Ukraine Dahlias I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Houseplants Tomato Heads Garden Ideas: Level 1
Plant Identifier Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Mary - there is a Preen just for lawn weeds and it does list chickweed so give it a try. It does not show crabgrass, rats.
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Dec 10, 2015 8:57 PM CST
Name: Mary Stella
Chester, VA (Zone 7b)
Dahlias Canning and food preservation Lilies Peonies Permaculture Ponds
Garden Ideas: Level 2
Crumb. I bought a bag of that also. Well, if it gets rid of some of the other weeds and the dratted Feverfew that has invaded my lawn that is a plus.
From -60 Alaska to +100 Virginia. Wahoo
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Dec 10, 2015 9:17 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Region: Ukraine Dahlias I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Houseplants Tomato Heads Garden Ideas: Level 1
Plant Identifier Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Just make sure the grass is wet when you apply it, or give it a spray from the hose. Then don't cut the lawn for a few days.
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Dec 11, 2015 12:00 PM CST
Baltimore County, MD (Zone 7a)
A bit of this and a bit of that
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I never thought I'd harvest anything in mid-December in Michigan... but my parsley just won't give up! Thumbs up It's not much, but I'll take anything garden-fresh I can get in winter!
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Dec 11, 2015 4:00 PM CST
Name: Mary Stella
Chester, VA (Zone 7b)
Dahlias Canning and food preservation Lilies Peonies Permaculture Ponds
Garden Ideas: Level 2
Only thing green in my garden not covered with snow is - yup, you guessed it - chickweed. lol
From -60 Alaska to +100 Virginia. Wahoo
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Dec 11, 2015 4:08 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Mary, is Anchorage going to get any blow/waves from the storm that is hitting the Aleutian Islands Saturday/Sunday?
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Dec 11, 2015 4:47 PM CST
Name: Mary Stella
Chester, VA (Zone 7b)
Dahlias Canning and food preservation Lilies Peonies Permaculture Ponds
Garden Ideas: Level 2
Don't know Ken. I thought that Damien said that we were headed toward snow so maybe that is what he was referring to. I'll ask him. We are on the coast and can just look down the chain for a ways.
From -60 Alaska to +100 Virginia. Wahoo
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Dec 11, 2015 4:58 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
For us in the south, used to summer hurricanes, it is very unusual to not only have hurricanes/typhoons this time of year but even more rare to have strong storms now.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Dec 11, 2015 5:14 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I looked at your forecast and don't see any impact of that storm whatsoever. But gosh, while we are in a "heat-wave" down here, y'all are in the deep-freeze. Sunday, your low is 12 and high is 16F. Ouch. Get out the long handles! Whistling
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Dec 11, 2015 5:25 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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Rolling on the floor laughing

It's only fair, Ken -- last winter Alaska was getting warmer weather than my area was!

I certainly agree about the chickweed, though, Mary -- I have a real problem with it, too. Have you ever tried eating it? It doesn't seem very appealing to me, probably because I hate having it in the garden, so I've never tried it; but it could be one way to have our revenge on it Big Grin .
“Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
C/F temp conversion
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Dec 11, 2015 6:23 PM CST
Name: tk
97478 (Zone 8b)

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Bugs too, great way to get rid of them and save money on meat. Let me know how they taste.

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