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Jun 8, 2016 10:55 AM CST
Name: Ivy T
Manhattan, New York (Zone 6b)
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The book looks very interesting. Going to see if my public library has it first before I buy it. Trying to figure out the difference between the two books 'The Pain Cure RX' and 'The Pain Cure'. Both are 1st. edition and printed June 2, 2015. Thank you June for the information.

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Jun 9, 2016 5:57 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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There's a lot of wisdom and good advice out there. It takes some researching but it's well worth it.
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Jun 9, 2016 12:03 PM CST
Name: Ivy T
Manhattan, New York (Zone 6b)
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I agree that it is worth it, it just takes a little time. Now that I am a new retiree, I will find time.

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Jun 13, 2016 4:02 AM CST
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Charleston, SC (Zone 9a)
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Hi Everyone,

Just a quick note to let you know that I haven't made it to the ER yet. The pain has moved now and while still bad is not nearly so excruciating as before.

JuneOntario, thank you very much for the book recommendation. I'm an avid reader and will definitely check that out asap. Think I will also check 1st to see if my local library has it or can obtain it.

From some of your comments, I think I may not have communicated the fact that I have spinal stenosis as a result of an auto accident some years ago. This is a fact based on MRI & other diagnostic methods, not conjecture. Spinal stenosis is, essentially, a narrowing of the spine (usually just at one or more vertebra). It can be congenital or due to degenerative arthritis or, as in my case, the result of an injury. The narrowed area of the spine often irritates or impinges on the nerves traveling through it, thus causing pain and inflammation.

I have lumbar spinal stenosis which means my damaged vertebra are located in my lower back. Until just a couple months ago, I was on strong pain killers along with a prescription NSAID. I took the pain killers 24/7 (not as needed but the way you take other essential meds) for some 6yrs or so. I am still taking the NSAID (when my stomach allows) but am only taking a the pain med in small qtys when I can't take the pain anymore.

For some 7-8yrs since the accident, I have had constant, debilitating, & very severe pain in my lower back or hip area. The pain is always in my LEFT lower back or left hip region. The pain sometimes varies (usually by becoming even more severe for brief periods) but never goes away. This is all consistent with the diagnosis of spinal stenosis and sciatica.

Sciatica, of which spinal stenosis is a frequent cause as it is in my case, occurs when the sciatic nerve is irritated or pinched. The sciatic nerve travels through the spine and branches so that it goes down both legs. When this nerve is irritated or pinched in some manner, it causes pain in the lower back, usually on one specific side as mine is. The pain may also radiated down one leg.

In my case, the lower back pain is constant but the leg pain has been, thankfully, infrequent. Leg pain due to sciatica can be quite extreme. Years ago a guy I met on jury duty described his as having been so severe that he actually wanted to have his leg amputated. His words were all the more impactful as they emanated from an apparently healthy, physically fit, young male (30-35yrs) in his prime. He was, btw, quite attractive, and it was more than a little difficult to imagine him WANTING his leg amputated, but he said the pain was actually that bad. By the time I met him, his problem had been surgically corrected, something I plan to look into, and he was completely symptom-free, his dreams of leg amputation, just a bad memory.

In the 1st year or so after the accident, before I got on the pain meds full time, I had some leg pain. The leg pain I had back then was quite horrific but, mercifully, brief. The leg pain I've been experiencing for the past few weeks was occurring in the leg which is effected by my sciatica; however, this pain was substantially different from anything I've had previously, but that doesn't mean it isn't the result of my spinal stenosis and sciatica. Sciatica pain radiates and may vary depending on what is going on (internally) at a particular time.

So, all of the above, the diagnosis of sciatica due to spinal stenosis, the 6+ yrs on strong pain meds, and the resultant disability and effect on my life are all fact. The problem with the leg pain I was experiencing recently was that my Dr said severe leg pain could also be caused by a [potentially life threatening] blood clot and that, while my pain might have been due to the sciatica, there was no way to know for sure w/o high tech imaging. The sciatica and the very real possibility that the pain was actually emanating from my back are all facts which are not in dispute. The only question was whether this particular leg pain was due to the sciatica or due to a blood clot. The Dr said just because I have sciatica and know that it causes severe leg pain, I should not assume that all severe pain (in that particular leg) is to be 'ignored' as just the sciatica.

I hope the above is helpful and not more confusing. I just want to clarify that I already have a diagnosis of spinal stenosis and sciatica, something which in all probability was the cause of the leg pain. My Dr just wanted to rule out the possibility of a blood clot, a potentially life threatening condition which could cause the same kind of pain. I'm still going to read that pain book though, as it may provide additional insights and ideas for pain control.
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Jun 13, 2016 5:51 AM CST
Name: Rosie
HILLSBOROUGH, NC (Zone 7b)
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I got what you were saying. I think what we all responded to was the fact that you said you were not functional..could not help yourself...were incapacitated. And since your doc gave you recommendations -we were urging you to follow those by getting medically evaluated. And in the process, getting your pain managed to a bearable level..and staying safe while you did it. Also heading off at the pass any disasterous impact shoukd it be a clot - like death - or permanent loss of nerve function should it be some extreme flare up of your existing spinal problems - like loss of bladder or bowel function..
Don't squat with yer spurs on!

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Jun 15, 2016 8:56 AM CST
Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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Before I BURST, MAY I RANT AND RAVE ABOUT A CUSTOMER that just now sent me a complaint about a plant she bought a year ago?

First of all, may I say it is so true that pain can certainly totally put you out of commission and you can be unable to function. I spent the last year recovering from a stupid thing I did last July 1st and I strained every nerve and muscle in my right side to the point I spent nearly a year on my back, having to have help to even go to the bathroom and showering. I can sympathize with anyone who has pain. I am about to begin a new series of balance therapy now that I have my strength back in my side, so I can hopefully walk without feeling I am falling. The balance and vetigo caused anxiety and depression. What a mess. I am much better but I had to close my online plant shipping business and am pretty much just passing time doing things like adult coloring and floral designs...etc. easy stuff. I do manage to get on the tractor mower and mow the grass in the Christmas Tree field this year. That makes me so happy. O.K. enough of this. Now to why I am here.

I shipped this woman who lives in PA, just across the river from our farm a curley spider plant on May 12, 2015. Today I noticed I had a message from Etsy and when I read it, this person said her plant arrived with brown leaves, out of the pot, dirt all over the package, etc. Why she did not immediately inform me of that, if in fact it did happen, with a picture, I would have been happy to refund her money or send her another plant. BUT TO WAIT A YEAR and say my plants arrive in that condition and she will never buy from me again just put me over the edge today. I am afraid I responded in a not so polite way but I was professional. Can you imagine, waiting a year to say the plant arrived in bad condition, which all plants are sent Priority and it took less than 3 days to arrived at her house from my business....she may have left it sit on the porch for a week, then I could see if it was in the package for a week with no light or water that would be possible, but when plants leave here, they are in 100% condition and I had 100% positive feedback on every site that I sold on. O.K. I feel better. I am now 87 and retired from the business of propagating and shipping starter plants, but I still take it personally when someone complains about one of the plants I have sold, especially A YEAR LATER.

Thanks for allowing me to rant and rave. I feel better. Grumbling Grumbling Grumbling
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Jun 15, 2016 9:04 AM CST
Name: Rosie
HILLSBOROUGH, NC (Zone 7b)
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Why Jacquie...... She probably just opened it. Now how could she possibly notify you any sooner?
Don't squat with yer spurs on!

People try to turn back their "odometers." Not me. I want people to know 'why' I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved
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Jun 15, 2016 10:02 AM CST
Name: Ginger
Fountain, Florida (Zone 8b)
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Jun 15, 2016 11:12 AM CST
Name: Jacquie (JB) Berger
Wrightstown, New Jersey (Zone 6b)

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MISSINGROSIE said:Why Jacquie...... She probably just opened it. Now how could she possibly notify you any sooner?


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Jun 15, 2016 11:22 AM CST
Name: Ginger
Fountain, Florida (Zone 8b)
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Thank You! Moonhowl Smiling
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Jun 15, 2016 11:26 AM CST
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Absolutely my pleasure, Ginger. Had to clean the screen, but it was time anyway. nodding
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Jul 25, 2016 9:12 PM CST
Name: Marylyn
Houston, TX (Zone 9a)
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I just found this thread... has anyone heard from Cheryl (aka Dreams) since June?
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Jul 26, 2016 9:28 AM CST
Name: Rosie
HILLSBOROUGH, NC (Zone 7b)
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No...I can look at Daves G..maybe she is there??
Don't squat with yer spurs on!

People try to turn back their "odometers." Not me. I want people to know 'why' I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved
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Jul 26, 2016 2:06 PM CST
Madison, Alabama (formerly NC)
I exchanged emails with Sheryl on July 11 and she was okay - busy with a personal project. I don't know why she has not posted here. Maybe she does not feel she has any news.
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Jul 28, 2016 10:39 AM CST
Name: Sally
Nichols, iowa (Zone 5a)
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Hi Marylyn!

It's summer. I'm glad she feels well enough to be busy. We'll wait Thumbs up
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Jul 28, 2016 9:32 PM CST
Name: Marylyn
Houston, TX (Zone 9a)
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Hi, Sally! Smiling
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Oct 9, 2016 10:55 AM CST
Name: Renée
Northern KY
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Hi, everyone, I check this thread occasionally, as I followed her on DG when her racoon story first started. I think of her every time there's a storm in her area, and now I'm really concerned, as Charleston is flooded and without power. I'm praying for her safety.
This news site talks about both North and South Carolina:
https://weather.com/news/news/...

Edit: A facebook friend's page has a post on it that she safely evacuated. I hope we hear from her soon!
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Oct 9, 2016 1:45 PM CST
Madison, Alabama (formerly NC)
I heard from Sheryl the early part of the week and she posted she may have to leave on Friday. I have not heard back from her since. I was really concerned about the cats. She could probably take Widget, but the cats are so wild - hope to hear soon.
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Oct 10, 2016 6:14 AM CST
Name: Sally
Nichols, iowa (Zone 5a)
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Good to know.
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Oct 11, 2016 5:17 AM CST
Madison, Alabama (formerly NC)
I have heard again from Sheryl. She and the critters are fine - she left briefly during the storm and is now back home - I think power was out yesterday and she was posting from Walmart. Her health is better.

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