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Apr 16, 2016 12:02 PM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
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The swallowtails do that "wonderful" classic gut purge! GrammaChar, I see those moths and caterpillars also, although haven't seen the Eight-spotted Forrester cats yet this year. They love the wild grapevines host plants that are SO common here!
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
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Apr 16, 2016 6:55 PM CST
Name: Scot
Altamonte Springs, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Garden Ideas: Level 1
Found this guy today hanging out near my peas and carrots. Looks like a Gulf Fritillary. (No, I didn't know this, but my google-fu is strong)
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Mal: "See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like."
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Apr 16, 2016 8:02 PM CST
Maryland (Zone 7b)
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As a newcomer to ATP, I have found this site to be educational, enlightening and entertaining. I especially enjoy the "interactive" format. This is the first time I have ever shared my photos on a "social media" type of setting, and I have been overwhelmed by the number of kind responses. It's interesting to see which ones have the greatest appeal. What prompts someone to do a "thumbs up" or award a hard-earned acorn to an image? Is it because the picture evokes a memory of a plant you once knew, or a particular plant that you have a fondness for or are familiar with, or simply admiration for someone else who can grow such a beautiful specimen? Are you attracted by the color, the composition, the lighting, or the rarity? It's obvious that everyone who contributes here has a love of gardening. I am so very happy to have found this new circle of friends.

Two instars of swallowtail on fennel.

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Apr 16, 2016 8:36 PM CST
central Illinois
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All the above and more...sometimes just the over-all quality of the pic. I've even thumbed up a pic because of the unique name of the cultivar pictured (only a couple of times, probably daylilies).
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Apr 16, 2016 9:20 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Scot, your Google-fu is strong! That is a Gulf Fritillary. You must have passion vine growing around your area as that is the only thing they eat.

I'm going to bed now; all that gardening today wore me out. I took a nap and woke up about two hours ago. But it's back to bed so I can go to MOSI tomorrow. I plan on inundating you all with pictures, so look forward to it!
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Apr 17, 2016 8:43 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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jmorth said:All the above and more...sometimes just the over-all quality of the pic.


What J said Charlotte.

I like that 2 instars on fennel pic. Very nice composition there! Thumbs up
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Apr 17, 2016 6:12 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Okay, I crashed after gardening yesterday so we're going to play catch up. I posted on the bird thread and the bee thread yesterday, but I had way more pictures for y'all and I didn't want to rush through them. So sit back, and let's get started!

First thing to do was feed the caterpillars. I am a slave to the caterpillars. These are the Pipevine Swallowtails. You can see one of them has its molted skin underneath it.

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Walking around, I was killing Tussock Moths but I've missed some because here are some cocoons. The first is on my house, the second pic is on one of the fence columns, third is on the patio door. They use the hairs from their body to make the cocoon so some people get dermatitis even from touching the cocoons. My dad and brother get the job of pressure washing the house and removing these things.

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Okay, it's time for caterpillar hunting with Melanie! Now, you guys may remember that I pruned my Pentas back pretty hard a few weeks ago. I hate pruning because it feels mean, but I just kept singing, "You've got to be cruel to be kind, in the right measure". Hilarious! And the Pentas have bounced back and put out a lot of new growth. And new growth attracts butterflies (and moths) wanting to lay eggs. So I look, and I see frass, and I see something has been chewing the leaves.

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Most caterpillars are smart enough to drop their frass to the ground, and these Pentas are under an oak tree, so I start thinking the frass is coming from the Tussock Moths up above. But that doesn't explain the chewing. So, what was I looking for? The Tersa Sphinx Moth uses Pentas as a host, and I get them from time to time. I probably get them more than I think I do, but I don't always check the Pentas that closely. First, I found a poor, dead Tersa Sphinx Moth. Sphinx moths are commonly known as Hornworms because of the horn on the back. The most infamous are the Tobacco and Tomato Hornworms. This one looked like it might have been infected with the bacteria that paralyzes its gut. Notice the frass stuck to the end of it. I think the shriveling might be due to dehydration which would also have been caused by bacteria.

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Undeterred, I kept looking. Seek, and ye shall find. I found a nice, healthy one. Now, Tersa come in green and brown forms and I've seen both in my yard. They have eyespots which remind me of the Spicebush Swallowtail caterpillar. The horn can't "sting" or hurt you by the way. But they do get really mad when I play with it. Tersa cats will whip their heads back and forth really fast in an effort to look scary. I find it adorable, but it's not me they need to scare.

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Lots of Gulf Fritillary cats. The one in my hand was a member of the Melanie Relocation Service. (I put him on a larger vine.)

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So my neighbor was out there mowing yesterday. And he mowed down by the road which annoyed me, but it's not up to me. He just had a lot of host plants over there, including Virginia Pepper Grass. Although, the butterfly that uses it, the Checkered White, had not been seen - until later that day! I saw one flying around and it had been so long I couldn't remember if the males or females had more checks. It's the females, which this one was. I saw her look like she laid an egg on several plants, but when I checked them, there was no egg. They're small, and look like Sulphur eggs, but I know them when I see them, and I didn't see them.

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I got one of my bright ideas and wondered if I caught her, could I put her in a container with the host plant and get her to lay eggs. I caught her with my bare hands (don't try this at home) which was awkward because I had to ring the doorbell so the parents would let me in and then Mom had to help get the container. I kept her in there all afternoon and night and set her free this morning. I haven't checked the plant too close, but I don't think she laid any eggs. Probably not warm enough in my room.

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Back to work I went, and that meant planting Spicebush. I ordered two from Mail Order Natives. I've ordered a lot of plants from them over the years. I have two Spicebush already so this makes four. Spicebush plants come in male and female, and since mine have never flowered or set fruit, I think mine are the same sex. So I hope adding the two new plants will change the mix. Anyway, I'm planting them, and I see a leaf folded over. Spicebush Swallowtail caterpillars build leaf shelters by cutting the leaf with their jaws and then silking it over. I opened it up - and found a caterpillar! Free bonus caterpillar! And he made it through the mail! Hurray!

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I was chasing a Gulf Frit all over the Jatropha. I like the picture where it's in midair and you can see its legs.

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Walking around the house I saw this moth on the patio screen. I think it's the same kind BAMONA identified for me last week, the Brown Shaded Gray.

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Apr 17, 2016 7:07 PM CST
Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
Sacramento California (Zone 9b)
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I have never seen one of these in all my life so I was thrilled to find one so accessible. Huge and beautiful. Reminded me of the silk moth I remember from Japan. I was surprised that the center of the eye spots are clear!



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One more item...a cat in the garden moving along a quite a pace caught my attention. Tried to ID it without luck. Im guessing it will be a moth.
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Apr 17, 2016 7:11 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Looks like you found yourself a Polyphemus Moth! Hurray!
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Apr 17, 2016 7:32 PM CST
Maryland (Zone 7b)
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This morning there were several Red Admirals in the front pasture enjoying the blanket flowers before the rain set in. Looks like were going to have some soggy weather for a few days. Will be great for all the new growth.
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Apr 17, 2016 11:12 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
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Help Id please. Found on Coyote scats last Sunday at Powell Gardens East of Kansas City on a nature walk. ~ 40 of us with lots of experience. Even our leader was stumped. Little guy ~ 1/2 inch. We got very close. I spotted him.

Ideas? TIA

I know - been missing in action.
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Apr 18, 2016 5:35 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Well, I'm pretty sure that's a moth and not a butterfly. Other than that, I'm not sure. I did some browsing on BAMONA, but couldn't find one that looked just like that. You could always submit it and see what they say.
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Apr 18, 2016 7:51 AM CST
central Illinois
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I looked on line and through my reference book on the BF/Moths of Missouri and couldn't find it either. Closest I came to were 8 Spotted Forester and Great Leaf Roller Moth.
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Apr 18, 2016 9:51 AM CST
Name: Morgan
IL (Zone 5b)
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DavidLMO said:Help Id please. Found on Coyote scats last Sunday at Powell Gardens East of Kansas City on a nature walk. ~ 40 of us with lots of experience. Even our leader was stumped. Little guy ~ 1/2 inch. We got very close. I spotted him.

Ideas? TIA

I know - been missing in action.
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Very cool moth! What about Thyris sepulchralis - Mournful Thyris Moth? Found it flipping through my Peterson moth guide (for northeastern US). It was the closest I could see. BugGuide doesn't have any sightings yet for Missouri, but BAMONA does. You could submit it to both and see what they say. For me BugGuide is much faster, sometimes it takes months for me to get a response from BAMONA... while BugGuide usually only takes a few days.

BugGuide Page
http://bugguide.net/node/view/...
BAMONA Page
http://www.butterfliesandmoths...
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Apr 18, 2016 10:20 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Good eye, Morgan! I think you might have it. I like the pic on Bug Guide where it's in the same position as David's moth - facing the camera. I think that's the best for comparison purposes.
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Apr 18, 2016 12:14 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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Yeah well , just about .
A Red Admiral .
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In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Apr 18, 2016 12:49 PM CST
central Illinois
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I think it's a good match.

Nice admiral Jim. I've had to be content w/ cabbage whites.
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Apr 18, 2016 1:13 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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RE: Thyris sepulchralis - Mournful Thyris Moth
This link shows it on the border of Kansas & Missouri
http://mothphotographersgroup....
Since David is in NW MO, that ought to be close to him.

Good sleuthing Morgan!
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Apr 18, 2016 3:21 PM CST
Name: Morgan
IL (Zone 5b)
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flaflwrgrl said:RE: Thyris sepulchralis - Mournful Thyris Moth
This link shows it on the border of Kansas & Missouri
http://mothphotographersgroup....
Since David is in NW MO, that ought to be close to him.


I saw a little dot near me on that map, so maybe I'll be lucky enough to see one of them someday. It's quite striking.

I've been seeing mostly just cabbage whites so far too, but not in nearly the large numbers I usually do. It has been 80F+ for the past few days though and over the weekend I saw my first dragonfly and American lady butterfly. The American lady came back today and dumped a ton of eggs on my pearly everlastings and prairie sage. I'm not going to be collecting any of her eggs though to raise indoors. The plants are still very small. My last experience with American ladies was too stressful. They totally wiped out my entire host plant supply. Every time I brought in cuttings to feed them, it was full of more eggs. They are particularly dirty little caterpillars too. They will have to fend for themselves.
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Apr 18, 2016 5:31 PM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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I have mobs of Bag-shelter Moth's caterpillars at the moment Panacela lewinae. The large caterpillars have very long hairs that are quite painful to come in contact with. They travel around end-to-end. Delightful to watch. I will post some more when I come home from work.
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