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Apr 19, 2016 6:12 PM CST
Name: Scot
Altamonte Springs, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Wow Melanie, thanks for the tour. Makes us want to take the 1 1/2 hour drive to check it out in person.
Mal: "See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like."
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Apr 19, 2016 7:56 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
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ATP disappeared huh? Thought I was at Daves for a moment. Or something. NGA & garden.org. At least my user name works.

Anyway - not in my area, but Journey North shows that Monarchs have made it to Missouri. Forsyth.
Seeking Feng Shui with my plants since 1976
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Apr 19, 2016 9:09 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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DavidLMO Yeah well ,, Experience and time thing ,, We can all say we knew each other when ,, DG ,, ATP , memories of times past ,, Some of the Good Times , from The Good Old days , Hilarious!

Hope my Sunflowers and Zinnia are ready (Monarch Blinking
In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Apr 19, 2016 10:18 PM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
Organic Gardener Bookworm Enjoys or suffers hot summers Charter ATP Member Salvias Herbs
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I'll miss All Things Plants! Things change, I guess. Now that one of my two tiger cats has turned green, I see it's a Two-tailed Tiger Swallowtail. The eyespots are much different than the eastern one.
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And this is another story...found some Monarch cats at a display garden at a nursery in the city, 5th instar, no small cats or eggs. So I took a couple of them home (cat-napped them), figured if they make it to be butterflies, I'll be able to release them. Sure enough, one pupated almost right away and the other one is hanging in a J now.
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I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
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Apr 20, 2016 12:02 AM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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Thanks for the interest. Here are some more photos. There are at least 3 trains going back and forth in my yard. I have to be so careful not to stand on one. I found a train of 4 caterpillars only so I lifted them up on a spade and carried them to an industrious express one of 34 caterpillars. It was quite amazing to watch how they got incorporated in the large chain. The caterpillars are nearly 3 inches long.

Here are some more shots.

This is the "bag" they live in. In my yard they are all at the bases of acacias, wattles.
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This is waiting around to line up
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Then they join
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And then they are off
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Apr 20, 2016 2:02 AM CST
central Illinois
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I wonder what's that is about, maybe as a train they can disguise as one large creature you don't want to mess with, it's a bizarre mating ritual, or they just like to do it that way.

Strange
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Apr 20, 2016 6:16 AM CST
Maryland (Zone 7b)
Passionate about Native Plants
Bee Lover Salvias Native Plants and Wildflowers Hummingbirder Critters Allowed Garden Photography
Butterflies Birds Region: Texas Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Photo Contest Winner 2021
There was a lull in the rain yesterday, so I went out to get a few photos. The butterflies were taking advantage of the break in the weather as well. And I can tell you that we have a healthy crop of chiggers....

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Apr 20, 2016 7:37 AM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
The one constant in life is change
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Beautiful butterfly there. Ack! Chiggers are mean little bugs. So itchy. I have gravel pathways all around and as long as I stay on the pathways I'm ok, but of course I can't stay on the pathways. So once in a while, and when I'm having house guests I go along with my little pump sprayer and a mild soap solution, and just spray the groundcover at ankle height along the edges of the paths. It helps a LOT. The cat comes in with fewer fleas when I do this, too.
Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
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Apr 20, 2016 9:49 AM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
Organic Gardener Bookworm Enjoys or suffers hot summers Charter ATP Member Salvias Herbs
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Love that Queen, Charlotte! I was just thinking the other day, that I haven't seen any Queens yet this year!
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
Integrity can never be taken. It can only be given, and I wasn't going to give it up to these people. Gary Mowad
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Apr 20, 2016 11:49 AM CST
Maryland (Zone 7b)
Passionate about Native Plants
Bee Lover Salvias Native Plants and Wildflowers Hummingbirder Critters Allowed Garden Photography
Butterflies Birds Region: Texas Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Photo Contest Winner 2021
Thanks for the tip about soap spray, Elaine. I might try that right around the house. Wouldn't work on three acres of pasture where the wildflowers (and butterflies) are located. I keep a tube sock filled with sulphur by the door, and always try to remember to "dust" before going out. It seems to help, but a few little suckers always manage to avoid it and nab me.
They won't keep me from chasing butterflies though!
Linda, the Queens have just started coming through. You should be seeing them soon.

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Apr 20, 2016 11:54 AM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
The one constant in life is change
Amaryllis Tropicals Multi-Region Gardener Orchids Master Gardener: Florida Irises
Herbs Region: Florida Vegetable Grower Daylilies Birds Cat Lover
Caught a Monarch resting on my Hibiscus this morning. I was chasing a Zebra Longwing, but it never stopped for me to get a shot of it.

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Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
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Apr 20, 2016 11:56 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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Fabulous shots Charlotte.

Glen, thank you so much. I ditto what J said. I'm just wondering & wondering.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Apr 20, 2016 11:56 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
dyzzypyxxy said:Caught a Monarch resting on my Hibiscus this morning. I was chasing a Zebra Longwing, but it never stopped for me to get a shot of it.

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Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Elaine!
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Apr 20, 2016 1:10 PM CST
central Illinois
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 2
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Charlotte, nice hairstreak too.
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Apr 20, 2016 3:16 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Well, I'm glad you liked the tour everyone, but I've got bad news. MOSI's board of directors decided they want to relocate downtown. Here's the article from the newspaper if you want to read it: http://www.tampabay.com/news/b...

It's going to take a few years but I got super depressed about it last night. They didn't even have the decency to tell the employees. My boss saw it online and posted it to Facebook. I was checking Facebook while I was waiting for a movie to start. I didn't think about it too much while I was at the movies, but on the ride home it really hit me and I started crying. Just went straight home and got into bed.

On the bright side, I had a scheduled date with Dad to do some gardening today. So I woke up and dragged myself out there. Actually got up before Dad. We got a lot of stuff done, I saw a ton of butterflies, and then we went to Lowe's where I bought many things, including that Monarch fountain I wanted. The combination of gardening therapy and retail therapy made me feel better. http://www.lowes.com/pd_751621...

I took 339 pictures today which explains why the battery was running low when I was at Lowe's. I submitted some to BAMONA because I needed a little help. I have to eat dinner soon, but I'll be back and post the best of my pics for you all to enjoy.

Oh, and Dave did post an article about us merging with the National Gardening Association a while back. Or maybe it was on the Site Talk forum? Anyway, I feel a lot more pressure as moderator!
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Apr 20, 2016 6:34 PM CST
central Illinois
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 2
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Photo Contest Winner: 2017
This is the BEST of the best - Butterflies, bees, birds, and bats. Four and a half unbelievable minutes.
http://www.youtube-nocookie.co...
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Apr 20, 2016 6:36 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
The one constant in life is change
Amaryllis Tropicals Multi-Region Gardener Orchids Master Gardener: Florida Irises
Herbs Region: Florida Vegetable Grower Daylilies Birds Cat Lover
You have no worries, Melanie. You're the best moderator. No question.
Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
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Apr 20, 2016 7:42 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Jack, from the YouTube info the clip is from Disney Nature's "Wings of Life". Remember, I made all those reminder posts telling everyone to watch it last year on Nat Geo? You can buy the DVD at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BGDCX0A/

I guess I don't hang out enough in the other forums to know if I'm the "best" moderator, but I hope you guys think so! Now, let's get to some pictures!

I've been yelling at the Pipevine Swallowtail cats to pupate already. You would not believe how much they ate today! I'm going to have to order some more pipevine and grow it in an undisclosed location. Rolling on the floor laughing I did have a few gut purge today so that means they're ready to pupate. Here's one of the big guys in my hand.

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But no one is as big as my Tersa Sphinx Moth caterpillar! I was talking to Dad on the way to Lowe's and I was saying how their frass is so big, I wonder if it doesn't hurt coming out. And he gives me that look that tells me I think way too much about these things. But when we got home, I showed him and he couldn't deny it!

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Moth on patio screen has been reported to BAMONA. Now, I wait.

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I was looking at my Brugmansia (not the one in the ground, the one the lady gave me in exchange for a cutting of mine) and I saw some frass on it. Now, they are in the same family as Tomato, Tobacco, Nightshade, so I thought perhaps I had a hornworm on it, but I didn't see any evidence of eating. And this is some big frass. I figure it must have come out of the oak tree above. And from the look and size of it, I'd say I've got Polyphemus Moths or a similar species up there. I know way too much about caterpillar poop. But there's people that can tell what kind of animal left what kind of scat, so I say it's a legitimate field of study! I just wish I had a cherry picker so I could search the oaks! I hate knowing caterpillars are out of reach!

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I got up before Dad so I killed some time while he was eating breakfast. I knew there had to be more Tersa cats out there on the pentas, and I was right!

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I had to bring him inside and do a size comparison!

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This is one of those pesky Tussock Moths that made it inside my patio and is pupating. See how they use the hairs as part of the cocoon?

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As an aside, I have to say I just showered with the Mahogany Teakwood shower gel from Bath and Body Works and boy, do I smell good!

Okay, back to the cats. On the patio, near my back door, I saw this guy. I kept my glove on and took him outside. I guessed it was some kind of Tiger Moth, but sent it to BAMONA to be sure. Remember, if you don't know, don't touch it!

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There were so many Gulf Fritillaries out there today, mostly nectaring on my Jatropha.

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I saw this moth on the ground so I picked it up. It's a wasp mimic, and I'd say it's related to the Oleander and Spotted Oleander Moths. Similar, but not quite right. I think this one had been wounded. He also had his proboscis extended which isn't normal if they're not feeding. I sent this one to BAMONA, too.

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Okay, it's time for another episode of "Caterpillar Hunting With Melanie"! Well, today we're egg hunting. Now, since I saw that Checkered White that I captured, I just knew there had to be some eggs down there. So while Dad was tilling, I stayed out of the way and made myself useful. Checkered Whites use Virginia Pepper Grass but they only lay under the flowers and seedpods. And they only lay eggs one at a time which makes it very hard to find them! Great Southern Whites, on the other hand, lay in nice big clusters. The one good point is that the eggs are orange so they kind of stand out on an all green and white plant. Okay, so here's a plant, and here's me picking off a bloom that has an egg.

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See the orange thing at the end of my thumb? That's the egg!

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Because I'm so nice, I circled the other two I found to make it easy.

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So while I'm sitting there going cross-eyed, I see something fly around me. At first, I thought it was a Duskywing. But it was a Hairstreak. A very large Hairstreak. It sat so nicely for me that I took about thirty pictures. The mail carrier came by and asked Dad what I was taking pictures of out there. Hilarious! I wasn't sure about this one so I asked BAMONA. This is a Southern (or Oak) Hairstreak. This is only the second one I've ever seen. And this one looks so fresh! I have to admit, seeing this butterfly made me feel a lot less depressed.

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I took the Checkered White eggs in and set the pieces of the plant on the counter while I cleaned out a container for them. And it looks like I found a caterpillar, too!

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I thought I took such a nice picture of this Duskywing. I sent it to BAMONA, thinking it was either Horace's or Juvenal's Duskywing. I took a guess of Juvenal's and here's the note they sent me: "This could be either E. juvenalis or E. horatius. Males of these species are essentially identical and cannot be identified with certainty in Florida without seeing the ventral hindwings or, more ideally, examining the genitalia." Okay, next time I'll ask the butterfly to flash me! Rolling on the floor laughing

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I thought this was a Long-Tailed Skipper but BAMONA says Dorantes Skipper. I'm not used to seeing them this early in the year. They had a good year last year and we had a mild winter so maybe that's why?

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Lots of Gulf Fritillary cats hanging around.

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I took this yesterday but hadn't posted it yet. I call this photo, "Why we can't have nice things." Rolling on the floor laughing Can't tell a Gulf Frit not to eat passion vine, though.

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I found this guy on the ground and I'm waiting for BAMONA to tell me who it is. I think Dad stirred it up when he was tilling.

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A cool Looper caterpillar was crawling the stucco.

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And here's a Monarch I spotted on the milkweed at Lowe's. By the way, they had perfectly good pentas on the $1 rack so I bought ten! You can never have enough pentas!

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Apr 20, 2016 9:59 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
Seed Starter Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Level 1
I hang out in a lot of forums and you are right up there Melanie. Thumbs up Thumbs up
Seeking Feng Shui with my plants since 1976
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Apr 20, 2016 10:39 PM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
Region: Canadian Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Tip Photographer Garden Ideas: Master Level I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
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Lots of great photos everyone. Thumbs up

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