Roses forum: Mislabeling can be a boon

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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Sep 15, 2011 2:11 AM CST

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This rose is supposed to be Razzle Dazzle, which looks like this:

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.24531.1&tab=36

But look at the gorgeous bloom it produced. I think this is so much more exciting than the HMF photos:

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Name: Gloria Levely
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glevely
Sep 15, 2011 4:25 AM CST
wow how pretty is that !!! I love the colors
Name: Steve
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Steve812
Sep 15, 2011 6:54 AM CST
It is a lovely rose.

Seems that in my case with age comes an appreciation of subtle colors and effects in roses. Once, I would have preferred Razzle Dazzle, now I think I might prefer the rose you got.
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Sep 15, 2011 6:58 AM CST
I love the color and petal shape. Now if only you could tell us what it really is!
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Name: Betty
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Betja
Sep 15, 2011 8:47 AM CST
Zuzu, I think I have that rose -- a floribunda hybridized by Bill Warriner back in the '80's -- SUMMER FASHION. I love it because it's basically a photosensitive ivory flower whose petals turn more soft coral colored as the bloom ages. I don't have any pictures, but by next spring I'll try to get some -- and it looks just like your flower. It's a beautiful floribunda!

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.6007

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Name: Betty
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Betja
Sep 15, 2011 8:51 AM CST
I just googled SUMMER FASHION, and here are more pictures that I think are much better than the pictures I saw in HelpMeFind.

http://007rose.blogspot.com/2008/07/rose-type-summer-fashion...

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Name: Toni
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Skiekitty
Sep 15, 2011 9:07 AM CST
My Razzle Dazzle did the same thing (I got mine from Palatine). First set of blooms were pastels like that, but thereafter they were much brighter. Not as blinding as, say, Charisma, but still very not pastel. Now if they were a hair bit BIGGER! Mine were about an inch across... but I think that's because it's a new rose in a new home, blah blah blah.
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Sep 15, 2011 11:32 AM CST

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That is a pretty one Zuzu, like the scappoled edges too, itvreminds me of Secret except your has that extra yellow flush in the center. What was the other one that we recently saw at Regans I think that also was similar to Secret? It does look a lot like the one Betty linked to. Where did this one come from? Cliff?
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Sep 15, 2011 1:53 PM CST

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Yes, it did come from Cliff, which means that it could be some European rose we've never seen before. Glare

I love our guessing games.

Betty, I used to buy all of the new J&P roses as soon as the catalog came out, so Summer Fashion has been a staple in my garden for close to 25 years. I replaced several as the gophers killed each one over the years and the latest replacement is finally in a gopher cage. I love that rose. It is a possibility, but the blooms on my Summer Fashion are always smaller than these, I don't remember the petals ever being scalloped, the blooms are more "perfect" and never lax until they age, and the coral tinge also doesn't appear until they age, as you pointed out. The bloom in the photo isn't aging. It opened up looking like this.

Sue, I remember the conversation, but I don't remember the rose. Smiling

Toni, you may be right about the first flush being deceptive. Maybe this will turn out to be Razzle Dazzle and display more orange as it settles in. I'm wondering about yours, however. Razzle Dazzle and some of Fryer's other floribundas are known to have blooms that are larger than average. The bloom in this photo is about 4 inches in diameter.

Stay tuned for the second flush and either the solution or another round of guesses.
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porkpal
Sep 15, 2011 9:37 PM CST
I'd be surprise if she turned out to be Razzle Dazzle as the form of te bloom seems quite different.

Let the game continue!
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Name: Toni
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Skiekitty
Sep 16, 2011 9:01 AM CST
I've gotten used to the first flush of blooms to be almost 100% wrong, especially w/the wacky weather we have here. The largest bloom I've gotten off my Razzle Dazzle couldn't have been more than 2" across.. tiny little things like Charisma. In fact, when I first saw the bloom, I was wondering why my Charisma was blooming so light colored blooms! Very few of my roses give me "normal" blooms their first year.. Dolly Parton, her first year, gave me only like 3 blooms and they were puny little things, no more than 3" across. This was the first year she's actually given me REAL blooms.. (ie: 4"+). I think it has to do with my winter & watering.. if it's too dry (like it's been this year), then they do bloom, but it's just not enough. Next year, since I won't be doing too too much planting in the front, will be heavily fed/watered (if necessary), that should help a lot. Natasha Monet bloomed once.. pure white. HoneySweet bloomed once, a pathetic 2" blossom that had almost no smell and was a soft pink rather than the coral/orange/pink. I'm kinda used to it.
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Sep 16, 2011 12:16 PM CST
Weird!
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Name: Steve
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Steve812
Sep 19, 2011 9:25 AM CST
It is not uncommon for roses planted in my garden not to bloom at all their first year. And not to bloom if they've had any setbacks within the last year. Similarly, flowers might be unusually small in these cases.

Roses that are white in color or a simple pink will frequently bloom the same color time after time, but if the rose is a complex color that depends on two pigments, or if it descends from roses such as mutabilis whose pigments change through the development of the flower, I find that all sorts of things can happen to the colors. Temperature, soil moisture, and feeding can all affect color.
Name: Toni
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Skiekitty
Sep 19, 2011 10:17 AM CST
Steve - True that. My Oranges & Lemons, this spring, was definitely more Lemons than Oranges.. but as soon as summer it, was definitely Oranges and no Lemons. Now that it's cooler, it's finally Oranges AND Lemons. In fact, my Escapade, which usually blooms a soft pastel pink has been throwing some almost hot pink flowers this late in the season.. almost as bright as Hot Princess.
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