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Jun 11, 2016 12:26 AM CST
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Fabulous pics!
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Jun 11, 2016 5:42 AM CST
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
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GrammaChar said:It's just hummingbird nectar, Josephine. It's in a butterfly feeder, and I put a few pieces of watermelon on top to get their attention.


I must have very active ants because they always get to it first. Smiling
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Jun 11, 2016 5:47 AM CST
Name: Alice
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When I used hummingbird feeders I had good luck with the ant traps. Something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001BZNWVM/

I even made some myself with using lids from aerosol cans, wire and hot glue. They worked very well.
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Jun 11, 2016 5:56 AM CST
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I use ant traps too and find them to be very effective. Plus the smaller birds like to drink from them, so they're "multi-taskers"! Now you've inspired me to make some myself, Alice. Thank You!
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Jun 11, 2016 6:16 AM CST
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
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Well, it looks like I am going to give that a try, I will see how that is done. Smiling
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Jun 11, 2016 11:19 PM CST
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Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Melanie has emerged from her chrysalis and become a beautiful butterfly! Well, not really. But I have been sleeping like I'm in a cocoon - or a coma. Seriously, the caterpillars are lucky I remembered to feed them. Fortunately, most everyone has pupated and the rest are little guys so it hasn't been too bad. But let's catch up!

Let's see. Mom caught me in a rare wakeful moment to tell me there was a White Peacock out front. She even took a picture for me with her camera.

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When I went outside, it was still there, so I showed her what a good picture looks like. Hilarious! Mom isn't as experienced at stalking as I am. I also don't think she's as willing to walk into a patch of Spanish Needles going to seed, either. Can't blame her on that one.

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The Tersa Sphinx moths are all currently pupa, but I took some pictures before they did that. On the right is a pupa, on the left is one that's almost a pupa. Greenie on top is starting to darken and the bottom one is "Chocolate", the brown form cat that is turning the normal pupating color. As an FYI, if you ever raise Sphinx Moths, here's some info. I can't speak for all of them, but Tersas will generally have watery frass right before they start to pupate. It's not a full-on gut purge like the Swallowtails. Thank God, given the size that would be! Of course, they also change color and shrink so you can tell they're pupating. But watery frass can sometimes be a warning of disease so I wanted to let you know it's normal for them, but only when they're about to pupate.

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Let's zoom in on each! You can see Greenie isn't the bright green he was earlier.

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Chocolate is also changing color.

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This was a green form caterpillar that has changed color, and has also shrunk and changed shape.

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This is a finished pupa. You can see they still have eyespots down the side. Not sure if that's defensive or not. By the way, Sphinx Moths tend to pupate in the leaf litter or under the soil. They don't really make a cocoon as we tend to think of them. They will silk together some leaves loosely around them, but it's not the tight ball we think of when we hear the word "cocoon". Oh, that's the shed skin hanging on in the picture.

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So everyone was done eating and in the pupation process. (I just had to add pupation to my spellcheck dictionary because it is so a word!) Tersas like to pupate under things, but that can get a little messy in captivity. I've never had a problem with them not under something, but since some of them were still losing moisture (it looks like they're "sweating"), I decided to lay them on a paper towel and then place one over them. I wanted something to absorb the moisture to keep it clean. As you can see in this picture, one of the Tersas decided that was cool and silked the paper towel to the container. Now that they've all pupated, I need to move them to a different container where they'll have enough room to emerge. I hate ruining their architecture, though.

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The Pipevine STs have been so messy. So messy! And so stinky just because Pipevine smells bad. One of them gut purged on one who had pupated and one who was in the sling and I had to clean the whole mess out. Pro tip - do that before you eat breakfast! Here's a guy who built his sling on a stem. You know they love to eat stem, and sure enough, another caterpillar ate right through the stem. The chrysalis was fine, though.

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Outside, Gulf Frits are still everywhere because this is Florida.

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Some of you may remember I replanted the front area along with Dad's help. And I transplanted three Senna ligustrina for the Sulphurs. Plus, the old plants were dying and I think they needed more sun, anyway. Well, they all lost their leaves when I transplanted them, but one came back pretty fast. The other two were lagging, so I took my pruners and trimmed a couple inches off the top of the stem. And they leafed out! Now, they don't have many leaves on them, yet. Also, they're only about 3 to 4 feet high, each. The second photo is the one that leafed out first and you can still see it's a small plant. Photos for proof...

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I thought it would be a while before I had Sulphur cats again. I was wrong. Even with the little growth they had, I got egg-bombed! That means it's time for another episode of "Caterpillar Hunting With Melanie"! There aren't many leaves on these plants, so it's not hard to see where someone has been eating. Also, the black specks are frass.

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When they're small, Sulphurs tend to lay right down the middle of the leaf.

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Or on new growth.

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Or they sit in a pile of their own frass. Rolling my eyes.

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I think I found six, but I can't remember. Sulphurs die a lot and I only have two left. I think they're going to be Orange-Barred Sulphurs. Anyway, I'm walking around with a handful of caterpillars, trying to take photos. They're usually pretty good about staying on the plant, but naturally, one decides to go rogue all over my hand.

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Speaking of going rogue...you know how I found those Black ST eggs on the rue and I thought it was weird I only found five? Well, she came back and made up for it. FYI, the original five are all alive in a critter keeper and munching away and growing big.

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So I'm walking around with a handful of Sulphurs and the Giant ST that's been teasing me for days stops by.

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And the Zebra Longwing was out, too.

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So a few days later, I see my first Sleepy Orange of the year. Hurray! And that reminds me that I still haven't planted my Partridge Pea seeds (their favored host plant around these parts). I tend to see Sleepy Oranges in the summer and fall and every year it seems like it's early and then I remind myself it's June. Oh, and I think that's some kind of spider at the top of the Salvia.

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Gulf Frit again because...Florida.

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A surprise Monarch visitor. I'm not growing any milkweed right now because I hear I'm supposed to plant the native seeds in the fall. So I'm hanging on to them.

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A Zebra Longwing on Porterweed. This shocks no one. Rolling on the floor laughing

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Sleepy Orange came down for a close-up.

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I was picking (and rechecking) Senna when I saw this cool Looper caterpillar. It was on one of the small plants, so I moved it to the one with more leaves.

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A Dainty Sulphur was also hanging out.

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I was checking the other plants out front and considering the weeding I'm going to have to do. Thumbs down Now, I keep seeing that Giant ST but haven't seen any eggs on the Rue, although the Black ST might have got to them first. But I planted that Wild Lime out front specifically for the Giants. Granted, it's like two feet tall, but that didn't stop someone from laying an egg! I only found this one caterpillar, but Giants are better about not laying too many eggs on any one plant, so it could just be that I only have this one. I've been checking, though.

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The Gulf Frit cats come in multiples, though. Hilarious!

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I can't swear this is the same Giant ST, but let's just say it is. You can see the Magic Red Pentas are hard at work again this year.

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Meanwhile, the Black ST eggs hatched. I told myself I was going to leave them out there and not get suckered into feeding mass quantities of them again, but even I knew I was lying to myself. I haven't counted them, but there's more than five this time. Here's two.

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Jun 12, 2016 6:23 AM CST
Maryland (Zone 7b)
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Oh how I would love to see a White Peacock butterfly!!!! Fabulous photo you posted will have to do for now. Hurray!
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Jun 12, 2016 6:50 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
They're Dad's favorite butterfly. I was so excited to raise my first one last year.
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Jun 12, 2016 10:34 AM CST
Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
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Im about to burst. First try at raising a butterfly, and its about to fly free. Very excited.
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Ive got a good 25-30 growing and Im worried I wont be able to feed them, but for now, onward and upward.

A few weeks later.....OK, so Im the only one I guess who didnt know it, that first picture, deader than a doornail. Luckily, Ive had all but one of the others come to fruition.
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Jun 12, 2016 10:43 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Looking good, Pam! Thumbs up
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Jun 12, 2016 11:01 AM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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I have not even seen a Monarch here so far this season , i keep hoping ,,
Lots of milkweed standing by , at the ready ..
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This is likely gong to be , one of the seasons , where , Ready ,, Get set , Go ,,, becomes ,,,, Tussock Moths ,!!! oh , well ,,
In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Jun 12, 2016 1:36 PM CST
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
Hi Everybody!! Let us talk native.
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Jim. I am so amazed at the size of your milkweed, which kind is it? It is gorgeous!! Smiling
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Jun 12, 2016 1:59 PM CST
Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
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Mine are eating off the tropical milkweed, and another milkweed that blooms a yellow flower. Its leaves are not near as rigid. Doesnt like the sun as much either, but the butterflies like them both. I had no idea they ate so much of the stem once they got big. I sure wish had had nice big full plants like yours.

I have one cat. that is black, its still eating, but I took it out and put it by itself. Is this a bad sign?
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Jun 12, 2016 2:12 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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frostweed , those are syrica ,. With a few possible others thrown in , Natives ,,
Thank You! for the compliment only native nature is the gardener Smiling
In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Jun 12, 2016 2:43 PM CST
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
Hi Everybody!! Let us talk native.
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That is just wonderful Jim, the ones I grow are Milkweed vine and Tropical milkweed. Smiling
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Pam I am sorry your caterpillar got sick, you did the right thing separating it from the rest. Smiling
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Jun 12, 2016 3:08 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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I do have a white Skipper about the size of a perl crescent I have been seeing ,, I believe it to be the white caterpillar on the grass earlier in these threads ,

This a really bad photo , but you can see the wing in the sunstripe . about right at the middle of the photo ,, Spotted white skipper ? maybe , About the size of the Geum leaf it is hiding under

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Jun 12, 2016 5:19 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Pam, is the cat all black or does he still have stripes? They can vary in color and some have much more black on them. It's always good to separate them out if you have any doubts. Also, be glad they eat stems because when all the leaves are gone, that's what you have to feed them! Milkweed sprouts back pretty quick, though. I think it evolved so that it had to with all that caterpillar munching going on.

Jim, are you sure that's not a moth? And kudos for all the milkweed. Even in Florida, populations of various butterflies can vary by quite a bit from year to year so I think all you can do is plant and be ready for them.

I've been following the events in Orlando all night and day but I did get out and feed the cats. I found another Giant ST cat and my Rue got egg-bombed again by the Black ST. Found a couple caterpillars I brought in, but I'm trying my best to ignore the eggs this time because I'm not going to Publix and buying organic parsley when I run out of Rue. (We all know I'm lying, right?) I'll give in at some point, I'm sure. Also, this is why I bought nine more Rue plants this year. You can never have enough host plants.
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Jun 12, 2016 5:48 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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Melanie it is not a Moth , several of them but hard to photo , not as large as the giant white grass skipper ,, as said about the size of a Pearl crescent , a tiny bit larger than some of them , Lots of black and brown mixed tiny dots on the wings , otherwise completely white
Has a small head and a thin abdomen like butterflies ,
I will be back as always and eventually when I finally get a good picture ,
I have that Host plant grass from earlier on the ID thread ,

This
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In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Jun 12, 2016 5:58 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Jim, I don't know all the butterflies in your area so I'm not sure what kind of Whites or Skippers you would have. One thing I like to do (and this applies to everyone) is go to BAMONA, click on "Regional Checklists", and then select your country, state, and county. This will bring up a list of all butterflies (or moths) that have been reported in your county. You can rule out a lot of the families since you know it's not a Swallowtail, or Milkweed butterfly, for example. It's also a nice checklist to have if you're the competitive sort and want to collect them all, like Pokemon!

Here's a link to the Regional Checklist page: http://www.butterfliesandmoths...
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Jun 12, 2016 6:08 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
Annuals Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Garden Procrastinator Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Native Plants and Wildflowers Region: Indiana
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I go there often Melanie ,,sometimes hours trying to identify a moth , long list ,, as you were last season skippers can be overwhelming in their species ,,
I do not if that is a quackgrass
or a wild northern side oats Grama grass that it's caterpillars are using , But , that is a clue !
In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure

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