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Aug 8, 2016 9:17 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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You must really love those Sphinx moths to sacrifice your tomato plants to them, David! We had a whole large tomato plant completely exfoliated in 2 days last spring. They eat the tomatoes too.
Elaine

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Aug 8, 2016 10:03 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
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We have like 8 plants. From them about 4 times as many tomatoes as we can eat. Last Sunday my wife spent several hours putting some up.

So far I have no cats. hehe Last year I donated 1 plant to 3 hornworms - not at the same time. All 3 were parasitized and I was heart broken watching the fly or wasp larva crawling thru the hornworm cat skin.

Yeah - I particularly like the big ones. Two years ago I had the HUGE type come and "play" with me on my deck. It was almost the size of a Hummingbird. Each evening ~ 7 PM it came and nectared from stuff on my deck.

Last year I had an really HUGE cat on my Contorted filbert. It was either a Luna or a polyphemus moth cat. That sucker was over 4 " long and bigger around that my little finger. I discovered him cause I noticed my contorted filbert was getting totally trashed by something. It disappeared and my hoes were that it moved to the next stage.
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Aug 8, 2016 10:52 PM CST
central Illinois
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Aug 8, 2016 11:32 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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Great photo's J

David
After moth tonight
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In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Aug 8, 2016 11:37 PM CST
Name: Cheryl
Brownstown, Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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DavidLMO said:

Trumpet vine? Hmmm And another type of hummingbird moth. Cool and cute. This becomes one of the largest Hummingbird moths?

So I take it this is a cousin to the tobacco and tomato hornworms?

I have tons of trumpet vine but never have seen any indication of cats. I have not looked closely though.
But at the same time, I have cut TONS of this stuff over the past 6 years. One big bank ~ 30 x 100 feet was close to completely covered in 2010. One would think I would have ran in to some Cats while cutting over that time.

While it still pops up all over the place, I have tried to keep it in a ~ 15 x 15 feet area which I leave for the Hummers.


Hi David,
Now I'm not sure what this these things are now I just assumed it was White Lined Sphinx w/o really looked for a best ID. It doesnt look like them does it?? hmmmmz??? More research needed, unless Mellie reads this and knows what it is for sure...
I just planted this last year, two vines. I put them each into their own plastic 5 gallon bucket with the bottoms cut out and placed them at ground level and filled with soil and a cup of organic bone meal for the future flowers Crossing Fingers! . Made a small arbor/trellis thingee(my neighbor calls it the "funeral pyre") and let it grow. I keep all the new growth at the bottom of the main vines stripped up until about the first 3 feet so there's no chance of them rooting.
"My work is loving the world. Here the sunflowers, there the hummingbird — equal seekers of sweetness. Here the clam deep in the speckled sand. Are my boots old? Is my coat torn? Am I no longer young, and still not half-perfect? Let me keep my mind on what matters, which is my work which is mostly standing still and learning to be astonished." — Mary Oliver, from Messenger
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Aug 8, 2016 11:48 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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This may help: http://homeguides.sfgate.com/l...

The Sphinx Moth caterpillars can change a lot as they grow, but yours looks more like the Trumpet Creeper Sphinx Moth (aka Plebeian Sphinx): http://bugguide.net/node/view/...
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Aug 8, 2016 11:50 PM CST
Name: Cheryl
Brownstown, Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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mellielong said:Glad to hear you guys are using natives to feed your caterpillars! Hurray! Maypop (P. incarnata) is hard to get rid of - as the dumpsite proves. Rolling on the floor laughing

haha Mellie Sticking tongue out Well I can tell you that here in this area sometimes incarnata returns and sometimes it doesn't, depending on the type of winter we get and its location in the garden. I haven't had any trouble so far Crossing Fingers! My garden looks a lot wilder than most people's tastes but I really don't care too much.
"My work is loving the world. Here the sunflowers, there the hummingbird — equal seekers of sweetness. Here the clam deep in the speckled sand. Are my boots old? Is my coat torn? Am I no longer young, and still not half-perfect? Let me keep my mind on what matters, which is my work which is mostly standing still and learning to be astonished." — Mary Oliver, from Messenger
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Aug 8, 2016 11:53 PM CST
Name: Cheryl
Brownstown, Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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mellielong said:This may help: http://homeguides.sfgate.com/l...

The Sphinx Moth caterpillars can change a lot as they grow, but yours looks more like the Trumpet Creeper Sphinx Moth (aka Plebeian Sphinx): http://bugguide.net/node/view/...


Yup Mellie, you're right!! I was just looking at that too. Not as cutesy, but i adore ANY type of hawkmoth.
"My work is loving the world. Here the sunflowers, there the hummingbird — equal seekers of sweetness. Here the clam deep in the speckled sand. Are my boots old? Is my coat torn? Am I no longer young, and still not half-perfect? Let me keep my mind on what matters, which is my work which is mostly standing still and learning to be astonished." — Mary Oliver, from Messenger
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Aug 9, 2016 12:03 AM CST
Name: Cheryl
Brownstown, Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Jmorth,
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Dewdrop? Gorgeous color!! I've seen it growing in Miami. The color contrast is a stunning combination.
"My work is loving the world. Here the sunflowers, there the hummingbird — equal seekers of sweetness. Here the clam deep in the speckled sand. Are my boots old? Is my coat torn? Am I no longer young, and still not half-perfect? Let me keep my mind on what matters, which is my work which is mostly standing still and learning to be astonished." — Mary Oliver, from Messenger
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Aug 9, 2016 1:32 AM CST
central Illinois
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Yes, Golden Dewdrop; over wintered in basement under fluorescent lights for 4 or 5 years.

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Aug 9, 2016 1:43 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
I like Sphinx Moths, too, but there's something about the Tobacco Hornworm's mouth that makes it look like it wants to suck my blood. Hilarious! I've raised Tersa Sphinx moths mostly, and I had a Pluto Sphinx cat once that died on me. I raised a Catalpa Sphinx Moth in WV. That was fun. Oh, and I saw an Abbott's Sphinx Moth at Grandma's in WV. They're super freaky and look like they should be a Halloween decoration.

Here's the Abbott's Sphinx Moth from April 2011 (many cameras ago):

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Speaking of WV, I know I just got back, but I'm going again next month! You see, two years ago I attended the Eastern Kentucky Genealogy Conference. Dad and I went up to KY, then over to visit Grandma. It was kind of fun to be there in the fall because I never had before so everything looked different. Plants were different, butterflies were different. Ragweed was insane! I thought I was going to OD on Zyrtec and Allegra. We didn't go to the conference last year, but I really wanted to go this year. This time, we're going to go to WV first for about a week, then KY. Then, I have to come home, and three days later leave for Silver Springs to attend the Florida Wildflower Symposium! But that's only two hours away and Mom can drive. Thumbs up

Oh yes, Golden Dewdrop. Duranta. I always get Datura and Duranta mixed up in my head. I used to grow both but I got rid of the Datura. The Zebra Longwings really like the Duranta. So do the other butterflies, and the hummingbirds, but the Zebra Longwings REALLY seem to like it. And I like keeping them happy. I have mine planted at the base of an oak that doesn't leaf out as well as the others. I figured the Duranta would make it look more full. Dad had to rope the Duranta to the tree because it wasn't getting the message to grow up and not out, but it seems to be getting with the program. USF has one that grows on a trellis near the plant shop and that's kind of why I bought mine.
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Aug 9, 2016 5:25 AM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland (Zone 7b)
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that's one creepy bizarre moth!

I have five caterpillars on my Parsley Hurray! Eastern Black Swallowtails. and one monarch in chrysalis.
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Aug 9, 2016 6:03 AM CST
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
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J, the sulphurs on the purple Duranta are stunning. I grow duranta also, and I bring it into the garage when a freeze is predicted. Smiling Hurray!
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Aug 9, 2016 6:34 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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Outstanding photos of the orange sulphur J! Hurray! Hurray!
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Aug 9, 2016 6:48 AM CST
Name: Jessie Worsham
Stockbridge, GA (Zone 8a)
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Those sulfur's are beautiful! Love the golden dewdrop. And the Abbott's Sphinx Moth. Dear lord that thing looks demonic. Blinking

I visited a (new to me) garden club yesterday. To my surprise and delight, the topic was gardening for bees, butterflies, and birds. The speaker was from the GA Ag. Dept., and he was very knowledgeable. He talked about providing not only nectar plants, but also larval hosts, water sources, etc. It was very interesting, and educational. I had heard this before, but he reminded us, native plants are best, not only because they are familiar, but also because they usually have more nectar. Double zinnias, for instance, don't have as much nectar as the old fashioned ones. He suggested some plants that I do not currently have, which I will list below. Do any of you grow these with good success? I think I might have to get some for next year.

Flowering dogwood (Cornus florida)
Hybrid Coral Bean (Erythrina x bidwillii)
Coral Bean (Erythrina herbacea)
Anise-scented salvia (Salvia guaranitica)
Autumn sage (Salvia greggii)
Butterfly weed (Asclepias tuberosa)
Wild Cherry Tree
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Aug 9, 2016 7:02 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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Jessie, I have:
Cornus florida - it was here, native, when we bought the property - several large trees. I keep meaning to propagate some more but things & time keeps slipping away form me.
Coral bean (Erythrina herbacea) - grown from seed I gathered form our other property here
Autumn sage (Salvia greggii) - a gardening friend sent to me & it does very well & is beautiful to boot!
Butterfly weed (Asclepias tuberosa) - I bought 2 4" plants last fall from Santa Rosa during their fall (late summer?) sale. I got 3 but 1 didn't make it through winter. The 2 remaining are doing fabulous!
Wild Cherry Tree - Prunus serotina - native & was here when we bought the property

I also have Carolina Laurel Cherry (Prunus caroliniana) which is native & was here when we bought the property

I had Anise-scented salvia (Salvia guaranitica) black & blue that was sent to me by a gardening friend. it did not survive but was not in a great location & I suspect that to be the cause of it's demise.
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Aug 9, 2016 7:13 AM CST
Name: Jessie Worsham
Stockbridge, GA (Zone 8a)
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Great info! Thanks Ann!
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Aug 9, 2016 7:58 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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YVW! Green Grin!
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Aug 9, 2016 11:12 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Well, I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought the Abbott's Sphinx was scary. I was seriously wondering if it was some kind of harbinger of death and I should watch Grandma carefully! Hilarious!

Let's see...plants. We grow the Coral Bean at MOSI. I don't tend to notice it too much because we have so many other plants, but it's a good native and has those kind of flowers loved by Sulphurs and hummingbirds.

Like Ann, I grow the Salvia 'Black and Blue' but mine comes back every year and reseeds itself in nearby locations. It's a little "sprawly" but that's probably my fault. I don't think the butterflies go for Salvias as much as people think they do. This is the first year I've really seen them use 'Mystic Spires' and it's been surprising. My butterflies tend to prefer flat, composite type flowers.

Wild Cherry. I call it Black Cherry, but it's still P. serotina. Bought one several years ago from the FL Native Plant Society. Best host plant ever! I've had: Red Spotted Purple, Tiger Swallowtails (once), Furcula Moths, Nason's Slug Moth, Saddleback Caterpillar Moths, and my Unicorn Caterpillar Moths. And a few things BAMONA couldn't ID. And probably a few I've forgotten over the years. It also grows really fast if that's what you're looking for. Mine started out barely taller than me about 8-9 years ago and now it's about 40 feet high. It's as tall as my oak trees. No lie.

A. tuberosa is a good native to use instead of the Tropical Milkweed, if you worry about things like that. I had some years ago, but I change things pretty frequently. I bought some seeds and just threw them on the ground using my patented "Toss and Stomp" method. (Toss seeds on ground, stomp on them for good soil contact.) I don't know why anyone buys milkweed plants when seeds are so easy to grow. I would just say if you have the Tropical Milkweed, the Monarchs tend to favor it heavily. So A. tuberosa should probably be either grown away from Tropical Milkweed, or used as a backup food source. I did have them lay eggs on it, but nothing like the constant attacks on the Tropical.
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Aug 9, 2016 4:32 PM CST
central Illinois
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Orange Sulphur - Alba form
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Skipper -
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Swallowtail -
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Best I could do; BF flew all around the back yard twice, but never alighted...
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